JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (2024)

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ABBREVIATIONS b born, bp (or chr.) baptised, c about, chn children, d died, dr daughter, fr father, m married, sp spouse, FS=www.familysearch.org, Th Thomas, Wm William

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (4)

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1. THE NUMBERING SYSTEMS USED

(i) Each tree starts with a person with generation 0 and ID 0:

0 0-Jo BLOGGS m1 sp-Joan, m2 sp-Harriet. So he had 2 wives, the 1st being Joan.

Their children are generation 1 (as in 1-Richard BLOGGS) and numbered in order:

1 1-Richard BLOGGS

2 1-Denise BLOGGS

3 1-Fred BLOGGS

The children of say Denise are generation 2 (as in 2-John SMITH), & numbered

21,22, ...

2 1-Denise BLOGGS m sp-Dun SMITH

21 2-John SMITH

22 2-Marge SMITH

23 2-Fred SMITH

So each time someone has children, they are inserted after their previous sib

(or after their parents if they have no older sib),

& before their younger sibs.

(ii) To make this descendancy chart look like a conventional family tree,

you need to put all the pages of the tree together as one vertical sheet,

then turn it on its side with the left margin at the top. Now draw horizontal

lines between all siblings. The top line will join all the 1-, that is 1,..,5.

The next line will join all the 2- but be broken so as not to cover any 1-.

So it is in 2 parts: the first part joins 21, 22, 23 and the second joins 31,

32, ..., 38. The 3rd line joins all the 3- and breaks whenever a 1- or 2- occurs.

The 4th line joins all the 4- and breaks whenever a 1- or 2- or 3- occurs. And so on.

(iii) Those marked 1- are siblings. Those marked 2- are siblings or first cousins to each other. Those marked 3- are second cousins to each other or closer.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (7)

CONTENTS

1. Our JUDSON family 1670-1794 Portsmouth

2. Acknowledgements

3. JUDSON clues

5. Index of places by country & town

6. Index of family names

7. HEWLET clues for Hants re 11 of 1.,

ancestors Talbot/Tolbut Edward JUXTON 1711-1773 Portsmouth

m 1735 at Hose, Leicestershire sp-Mary HEWLET

8. MARTIN clues for Gosport, Hants re 1 m2 of 1.,

ancestors 1 Randal/Randall/Randolph JUDSON

m2 1708 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Elizabeth MARTIN

9. VIVION clues for Portsmouth re 115 of 1.,

Rebecca JUDSON bp 1745 Portsmouth

m 1770 Portsmouth sp-Thomas VIVION d 1824.

10. DESBOROUGH clues re 1154 of 1.,

Ann Catherine "Kate" VIVION b 1780

m 1803 Portsmouth sp-Lt General Lawrence DESBOROUGH 1758-1825

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (8)

1. Our JUDSON family 1670-1794 Portsmouth

SUMMARY A=Ancestor

0 Randall JUXSON/JUDSON bur 1670 Portsmouth m Anne - will 1673 A

1 Randal/Randall/Randolph JUDSON (b after 1652)

m1 1690 Fareham, Hampshire sp-Maria MILLS

m2 1708 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Elizabeth MARTIN A

11 Talbot/Tolbut Edward JUXTON 1711-1773 Portsmouth A

m 1735 at Hose, Leicestershire sp-Mary HEWLET bur 1793/96 A

111 Elizabeth JUDSON 1736 Portsmouth-1821 Portsmouth A

m 1761 Portsmouth sp-William DEACON 1733 Portsmouth-1792. Brewer. A

114 James JUDSON bp 1742 Portsmouth. Master Baker

m 1774 Portsmouth sp-Elizabeth COSTER 12 children.

1145 Mary Jane JUDSON 1780 Portsmouth

m 1806 Portsea sp-James PORTER

115 Rebecca JUDSON bp 1745 Portsmouth

m 1770 Portsmouth sp-Thomas VIVION d1824. 3 children.

1154 Ann Catherine "Kate" VIVION b 1780

m 1803 Portsmouth sp-Lt General Lawrence DESBOROUGH 1758-1825

11542 Lawrence DESBOROUGH 1806 Chatham, Kent m Mary A CAMERON

11542 7 John O DESBOROUGH 1853 Sunninghill, Berks m Caroline Ida

11545 Mary DESBOROUGH 1814 Chatham, Kent m Henry DESBOROUGH

11545 1 Henrietta DESBOROUGH 1836 London m Frederick WATHEN

11545 2 Louisa DESBOROUGH 1838 London m Wallace NASH # US branch

11545 5 Samuel DESBOROUGH 1841 Beckenham m (Ceylon) Louisa RUST

11545 6 Edward Brandram DESBOROUGH 1843 Beckenham

m Martha Elizabeth Augusta BURNELL-JONES

11545 8 Harriet DESBOROUGH 1846 Beckenham, Kent m George BURNELL

11545 (10) Alice DESBOROUGH 1850 Beckenham, Kent m Albert GOODWIN

............................................................................

DETAILS

0 0-Randall JUXSON/JUDSON bur 16.2.1670 St Thomas, Portsmouth.

Victualling Officer. Presumably also a brewer. In the Portsmouth Burial Records, he

is listed as a "Victualling Officer". A victualler was one licensed to sell ales wines and

spirits, exactly what Randall's position was is not clear - did he supervise

the inn-keepers or was he himself licensed to sell, perhaps to the Royal Naval

Dockyard? A highly competitive job one would imagine. He was presumably also a

brewer, as was his son Randall or Randolph [1] (the name varies in the various

records as often happened at that time - those who could read and write very

often having to guess at spelling what was related orally.)

m sp-Anne of Portsmouth bur 10.12.1673 St Thomas, Portsmouth. Will 7.12.1673 - she made her mark. Held by the Hampshire Record Office

(Accession Number 1673 B 24 / 1,2, and 3), dated 7.12.1673, it is difficult to

decipher and, although signed with her mark, was virtually a non-cupative

written in the third person, perhaps by the Revd. THOMAS HEATHER.

It transcribes as follows: -

December the 7th 1673 by ANNE JUDSON of the Towne of Portsmouth, widdow, being

very sicke and weak in Body but of sound mind and memory declared this to be

her Last Will and Testament touching her worldly goods, her debts being first

paid:-

The remainder of her goods after the payment of her funeral expenses should be

disposed of and sold for the advantage of her son RANDALL JUDSON [1] which she

made the executor of this her will, but she made THOMAS HEATHER: Vicar of

Portsmouth and Mr WILLIAM COLLINS of the sayd Portsmouth, Shopkeeper, to take

the trust upon them of selling the goods she left behind her and having payed

her debts and funeral expenses should deliver the remainder belonging to her

son, together with her son, to his nearest relatives that would receive him,

and, to this end she gave full power to the sayd THOMAS HEATHER and Mr WILLIAM

COLLINS (by reason of the minority of her son) to sell and dispose of her

goods as is above expressed.

This was declared to be her will in the presence of

ANNE SMITH and REBEKAH WILKINSON [Signed with their marks]

Anne JUDSON made a very wobbly mark on the document

An Inventory was made of the contents of Anne's house. It was the custom at

that time for the local courts of law to appoint two responsible and impartial

men to inspect and value the property of recently dead persons. These people

were called Appraisers.

This is a transcription of the Inventory made of Anne's property on 12.12.1673.

It is not difficult to imagine the appraisers going from room to room listing

Anne's worldly goods. From the list it is possible to deduce that she was not

too badly off for the time.

An Inventory of all and singular of the Goods and Chattels of ANNE JUDSON of

Portsmouth in the County of Southampton: Widdow

Her wearing Apparel P 3 = 0 = 0

Featherbed & Bolster; Pairs of Pillows; a Rug; pairs of Blankets & Bedspreads:

Curtains & ... (illegible) P 4 = 10 = 0

Six Leather Chairs P 00 = 18 = 00

A Trunk & Boxes P 00 = 10 = 00

Four Rush Chairs P 00 = 2 = 06

An old Flock Bed P 00 = 2 = 06

A Fire Grate & two pairs of Andirons P 00 = 17 = 00

Household Linen P1 = 10 = 00

A small Feather bed & Coverings P 2 = 10 = 00

The Pewter P 2 = 00 = 00

The Brass P 01 = 10 = 00

A pair of iron Andirons; a Jack; Spitts; Cottowells (?);

Fire Panns; Tongs; Fenders; Gridiron; Two Iron Potts P1 = 06 = 00

A Table & Wooden Chairs P 00 = 10 = 00

A Hogg P 00 = 14 = 00

Looking Glass P 00 = 04 = 00

[TOTAL] P20 : 05 : 00

1 1-Randal/Randall/Randolph JUDSON a minor in 1673 when only offspring in his

mother's will (so b after 1652). d 1709-1712. Randolph's name appears several times over the years, in the Quarter Sessions Records of Portsmouth: -

13 April 1703 RANDALL JUDSON summoned by the Constables of Kingston and

Buckland to act as juror on 18 April, being a freeholder of the community

9 - 23 May 1704 RANDUFF JUDSON was held in recognisance for P10 Licence.

(his fee for his business licence - he was not 'held' physically!)

25 September 1705 again summoned for Jury Service and stood bail for ...

CRESSWELL

27 May 1706 He stood bail (P 40) for a widow ELIZABETH NORRIS and SYMON YOUNG who were in dispute (a large sum of money)

7 September 1708 he was described as a brewer and stood bail for P50 for

MARTHA MOOREY accused of assaulting the wife of ALEXANDER MACDONNELL.

14 October 1708 RANDOLPH JUDSON was a member of the Frankepledge, this system of keeping law and order involved one person being responsible for a group of

inhabititants usually a street or group of workers -rather like school prefects

18 October 1708 Pledged P25 bail for JOHN BILLUE accused of assaulting

JAMES BOLTON of HAVANT.

27 April 1709 He stated on oath as witness at a trial that whilst in

conversation with JOSEPH WISEMAN the latter admitted to being one of the

individuals who on the night of 25 April unlawfully removed the inn sign

THE ADMIRAL'S BARGE belonging to BENJAMIN ETHERINGTON.

5 May 1709 RANDOLPH JUDSON was summoned to serve on the Grand Jury to be held at the Guildhall at 10am on Thursday 12 May 1709.

It is thought that Randolph died outside the county of Hampshire as he does

not appear on the very comprehensive Burial Index.

* All wills are thanks to Bridget THURGATE

Will 18.9.1708 only mentions his 2nd wife Elizabeth:

Will of 1 Randolph JUDSON, Brewer of Portsmouth, Hampshire

18.9.1708, proved 28 August 1712 PROB 11/528

ex http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline.

There is a P.C.C. Will which I have transcribed, I think it must be the father

of Talbot although it makes no mention anywhere of other children:

IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN

This 18th day of September Anno Domini 1708 and in the seventh year of the

Reign of Queen Anne of Great Britain - I, RANDOLPH JUDSON of Portsmouth in the

County of Southampton: Brewer being at present in health of body, sound mind

and disposing memory, but calling to mind the frailty and uncertainty of the

life do make and declare these presents to contain my last Will and Testament

in manner and form following:

That is to say Imprimus and Principally

I give and resign my Soul to into the hands of Almighty God, my Creator hoping

for the pardon of my sins by the alone merits and mediation of Jesus Christ my

Blessed Saviour. My Body I give to the Earth and my Worldly Estate in manner

and form following:-

That is to say I give devise and bequeath unto my loving wife ELIZABETH and

to her heirs, administrators and assigns all and singular my Messuages,

Tenements, Lands, hereditaments and all other my Goods and Chattels and

Personal Estate whatsoever and wheresoever (after the payment of my debts and

funeral charges and expenses.)

And I do hereby nominate and appoint my said wife ELIZABETH to be the whole

and sole executor of this my Last Will and Testament. In witness whereof

revoking and making void all other Wills by me at any time heretofore made or

declared both by word or writing.

I have hereunto set my hand and seal this day and year above written

RANDOLPH JUDSON

Witnessed by P. FRANKLIN; JOHN FRANKLIN; and ?? Rachel EDMUNDSON

(This is really only a guess as the copy is poor - one would need to see the

original to check on the third witness.)

m1 21.8.1690 Fareham, Hampshire sp-Maria MILLS

m2 6.8.1708 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hamps sp-Elizabeth MARTIN M073561 1696-1754

11 2-Talbot/Tolbut/Tabbot Edward/Edwards JUXTON bp 20.6.1711 St Thomas,

Portsmouth? Tabbot Edwards son of Randall and Elizabeth JUXTON. bur 28.3.1773.

29.4.1736 on jury for the Court Leet with Richard DEACON. 1736 baker. 1749 juryman. Bur 28.3.1773 St Thomas, Portsmouth aged 62. A prosperous baker with military & naval contracts? BT: He seems to have been or become a man of some

substance, and a land-owner. The fact that his will was proved in the P.C.C.

means either that he had property in more than one archdeaconry and probably

therefore in more than one county, and as his burial cannot be found in

Hampshire he may possibly have died abroad (in which case his will would have

certainly been proved in the P.C.C.) or in another county.

TALBOT also appears in the Quarter Sessions records but not always on the

right side of the law!

29.4.1736 TALBOT EDWARDS JUDSON and RICHARD DEACON were members of the jury for the Court Leet.

(This entry is quoted in full):- On November 14th 1738 JOHN COLLINS a drummer

belonging to Brig. Gen FIELDING's Regiment of Invalids (these were regiments

raised to augment the Army Strength, they were recruited from old soldiers, who

were posted to forts and garrisons to release the regular soldiers for more

dangerous duties abroad, they were not intended to do more, but as time went by

they too were often used in front line fighting.) on November 9th last, whilst

COLLINS was on duty at the main gate beating the morning - drum, made oath

that TALBOT EDWARDS JUDSON - baker - threw a brick bat which struck him on

the left leg. The report of proceedings has not yet been tracked down

(Portsmouth Records Office S3/109/20) so it is not known whether Talbot was

found guilty. Did he perhaps have a hangover and COLLINS' drum was causing him

agony? Had COLLINS insulted his baking - was the 'brick-bat' a stale loaf?

30 April 1749 A list of Borough Officers gives TALBOT EDWARDS JUDSON as a

juryman and JAMES DEACON as an Alderman (S3 ? 129/161) Beside James

DEACON's name appears the word 'Dead'. This must be 'our' James [ID 0 at

deacon.html] who died in 1748. Talbot died in 1773 and was buried on 28 March. He is referred to as 'Mr' which implies a certain status in the community.

I am intrigued by the first names of the men, Randolph/Randall and Randolf

would be unusual Christian names for the time, unless they were mothers' maiden

names in the Scottish manner, and Randell is a Scottish name. EDWARDS is also

a surname, being almost always spelt without the S as a Christian name.

The surname JUDSON has been identified by some authorities as originating in

Yorkshire and derived from 'son of George' but as it seems to be so rare it

does not figure in most reference books.

This account has been hugely helped by Dr. Phil STOKES who very kindly looked

things up and by Norman HURST who, as ever, cheerfully gave of his time to

explain Military and Naval matters. - Received ex BT 7.10.2005.

m 1735 at Hose sp-Mary HEWLET bur 29 August 1793 or 28 February 1796?

BT: Hose is a very small village in Leicestershire (12m SW of Grantham,

Lincolnshire), Archdeaconry of Huntingdon (Boyds Marriage Index.)

#She is probably Mary HOWLETT bp: 01 MAR 1714 High Street-Presbyterian Or

Unitarian, Portsmouth, Hampshire, 5 of *1709-1746 at 8. below.

111 3-Elizabeth Edwards JUDSON bp 22 Aug 1736 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth.

Buried 1821 Portsmouth. Will 29.10.1817 proved 14.3.1821: -the ID numbers are

for deacon.html - see her husband below.

Family mentioned:

(10)4 Elizabeth m George TRIPP

(10)41 Elizabeth Anne TRIPP

(10)5 William DEACON m Sarah

(10)71 George Charles Deacon LEWIS

(10)72 William LEWIS executor

(10)9 Ann executor m George BRIDGES

(10)(11) Henry DEACON m Elizabeth (Marie-Eliza LILL)

Others mentioned: my husband's ... friend the Rev. Richard WAVELL;

witnesses William EASTHOPE, J.C. COX and John SHUGARE?

Public house mentioned: THE LORD D ... S HEAD in St. Nicholas St, Portsmouth.

This is the last will and testament of me ELIZABETH DEACON of Portsmouth

[nee JUDSON] in the County of Southampton, widow, made

whilst I am of sound and disposing mind, memory and understanding.

I give, devise unto my son WILLIAM DEACON all that messuage, tenement or public

house with the yard and appurtanences thereto belonging, situate lying and

being in St. Nicholas Street in Portsmouth aforesaid.. or known by the name or

sign of THE LORD D ... S HEAD and now in the occupation of Elizabeth CARLISN?

to hold the same unto and to the use ofthe said WILLIAM DEACON his heirs and

assigns for ever ...

I give and bequeath unto my sons WILLIAM DEACON and to my daughter ANN

the wife of GEORGE BRIDGES Esq. all my monies in the three percent

consolidated Bank Annuities upon trust, that they, my said trustees,

shall and do pay the dividends, interest and yearly proceeds thereof

for such interests and purposes only as my daughter ELIZABETH, the

wife of GEORGE TRIPP Esq., notwithstanding her present or any future

husband, and as if she were sole and unmarried shall form time to time

by any note, or writing signed by her own hand, direct or appoint and

in default of such instrucdons or appointments do and shall pay the

whole of her dividends, interest and yearly proceeds or so much

thereof concerning which she shall make for her sole and separate use

and benefit exclusive of her husband now or in the future, who shall

not meddle therewith nor shall he have some or any part thereof for

his use or control or disposal engagements or incumbrances, but

absolutely at her own sole and separate disposal of the said ELIZABETH

TRIPP or such person or persons as she may name. Should she die then

all my said monies to my grand-daughter ELIZABETH ANNE TRIPP for her

own use and benefit absolutely, the same to be transferred to her at

the age of 21 years. But should the same ELIZABETH ANNE TRIPP die

under the age 21 years without leaving any lawful issue then I do give

all my monies unto and actually between my two grandchildren GEORGE

CHARLES DEACON LEWIS and WILIAM LEWIS to be transferred to them at the

age oftwenty-one years. And out of the arrears of estate I give unto

my said grand-daughter ELIZABETH ANNE TRIPP the sum of L150 sterling

to be paid to her at the age of twenty - one years. And I do direct

my said son WILLIAM DEACON to pay unto the proper hand of my

granddaughter ELIZABETH ANNE TRIPP during her minority at interest of

L5.O0 per return for admon. and her receipt shall from time to time to

be his discharge for what she shall so receive.

I trust that her receipt above shall be good and sufficient discharge

to my said trustees for the same and after her decease to my said

grandsons GEORGE CHARLES DEACON LEWIS and WILLIAM LEWIS And I ask my

said son WILLIAM DEACON out of the arrears of my said annuity to

purchase mourning rings each ring to be ofthe value of LlO. One of

which rings I give unto my son-in-law GEORGE BRIDGES, another ring for

my daughter ANN BRIDGES, another ring for my daughter-in-law SARAH nee

BEDFORD] wife of WILLIAM DEACON. One ring I give unto my

daughter-in-law ELIZABETH (MARIE-ELIZA LILL) the wife of my son HENRY

DEACON & one other ring I give unto my son-in-law GEORGE TRIPP.

And I do also direct my said son WILLIAM DEACON out of such arrears

of my annuity to pay all my debts and funeral payments and the charges

of proving this my will, and after full payment thereof to my said son

WILLIAM DEACON.

I give all my books unto and equally between my said daughters

ELIZABETH TRIPP and ANN BRIDGES.

I give to my son WILLIAM DEACON a silver christening bowl.

I give to my son HENRY DEACON a silver coffee-pot with a transcription

to the memory ofmy late dear husband's esteemed and respected friend

the Rev. RICHARD WAVELL.

The rest and residue of my plate I give unto and equally between my

children ELIZABETH TRIPP, WILLIAM DEACON, ANN BRIDGES and HENRY DEACON.

I give all my household linen and wearing apparel unto and equally

between ELIZABETH TRIPP and ANN BRIDGES in case one or either of them

should die before me - I give the share of shares of her so dying unto

my grand-daughter EUZABETH ANNE TRIPP.

I also give all my household goods and china useful or ornamental,

glass and pictures in my dwelling house in Penny Street in Portsmouth

aforesaid occupied by my said son WILLIAM DEACON shall not be

considered as part of my personal estate or be subject or liable to any

of the bequests in this my will contained respecting my personal estate

but that the same shall be considered as heirlooms and shall pass

with the said dwelling house for my son WILLIAM DEACON and his heirs

as the owners and occupiers of the same.

I give all my money that may be in my dwelling house belonging to me at

the time of my death equally between GEORGE CHARLES DEACON LEWIS,

WILLIAM LEWIS and ELIZABETH ANNE TRIPP and lastly: -

I do nominate and appoint the said WILLIAM DEACON and ANN BRIDGES

executor and executrix of this my last will and testament contained on

the preceding sheets of paper and have subscribed my name and to this

last have set my seal this 29th day of October in the year of our Lord

1817 ELIZABETH DEACON (signed & sealed)

At her request and in her presence and in the presence of each other

have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses thereof

WILLIAM EASTHOPE; J.C. COX and JNO. SHUGARE?

Proved London 14 March 1821 before Worshipful JOHN DODSON D.LL. and

Surrogate by the Oaths of WILLIAM DEACON and ANN BRIDGE having been

first sworn duly to administer Power... of making the life grant to HENRY DEACON.

m 25 Mar 1761 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-William DEACON b 26.7.1733 bp 9.8.1733 St Thomas, Portsmouth, Hants. bur 20.8.1792 Portsmouth. Wm was 15 when his father died & although his father's 10th child, was with his mother the principal beneficiary... On 6.11.1740 he left with his sister Mary & her new husband Capt

WHITWELL. After Mary was buried on 8.3.1749(50), Wm continued overland 26 days to reach his uncle in Maryland where he stayed 14.5 months. He returned home 1751 in the scow MARY (a 2 masted sailing ship of c1000 tons), a 6 week voyage to Gravesend, & thence by post chaises to Portsmouth in a day. In the rest of the book he lists his chn & items such asmajor illnesses including smallpox. The DEACON Family Book (DFB) now held by JD includes a deleted list of the clothes he was taking on his visit to his uncle William DEACON (1697/98-1759) in Maryland. BT gives him as the "only surviving son", d1792, alderman & brewer. Named in father's will of 1748. Beneficiary of 1780 will of sister Ann.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (9)

William by Richard PHELPS at the time of his marriage 25.3.1761. PHELPS (c1718-1785) is a portrait painter with paintings at the National Portrait Gallery.

"I married Elizabeth JUDSON, daughter of Talbot Edwards and Mary JUDSON

in Portsmouth church on Wednesday the 25th of March 1761 - the Revd. Benja.

FORESTER, curate of the parish performed the ceremony - Prsent [witneses]

Thos. BINSTEAD (Attorney-at-Law) as father [Talbot therefore having died ?]

and Wm. CROCKER clerk of the parish." Master Brewer.

"The Portsmouth Papers No 51. 1988, Portsmouth Breweries 1492-1847" ex JH: p11:

The 3 largest breweries (as indicated by their rateable values) were all in

Penny St in the old town. The largest, trading as Wm PIKE & Co was founded by

Wm PIKE behind 19 High St in 1719. He had been apprenticed as a cooper to his

mother's cousin Wm MUDGE in 1705 when he was 14 & he must have also learned the

trade of brewing in the brewery establidged by MUDGE at the `upper end' of

Penny St before 1695. MUDGE died in 1706. ...

MUDGE's brewery . passed to the widow of Thomas PERKINS who married

George KELLEY, a brewer who became bankrupt in 1727. He was replaced

by Daniel SMITH & later by Elizabeth SMITH his widow who entered into

partnership with 2 merchants Wm RICKMAN & Michael ATKINS both of whom

had served as Mayor. 'In 1784, the occupant [of Mudge's Brewery] was William DEACON, who was brewing there by 1775, when he was supplying beer to Russian men-of-war anchored at Spithead.' (p.11)

'Another brewery to cease trading in 1843 was DEACON's in Penny Street. A

further Chancery Court action by the DEACON family in 1842 resulted in a ruling

that the brewery and properties should be auctioned and the proceeds distributed. The brewery was demolished to make way for a canteen attached to the Clarence Barracks.' This text is accompanied by a picture of the advertisement giving sale particulars in the Hampshire Telegraph, 18.9.1843. (p.22).

[So Wm must be 6 rather than his son (10)5 who turned 8 in 1775.]

p14: Wm DEACON died intestate in 1816 [but he d 1792!; the defendant Wm alive in 1822 might be his son or maybe Wm should be James d1812] causing his family to resort to the Chancery Courts. The outcome was the appointment of son Henry

[JH says this was his grandson(1796-1856)], & brewer James CULL as trustees

with instructions to run the business for the benefit of the family.

p18: The brewers who entered the trade during the 2nd half of the 18th century

were quick to join the fray. DEACON [6] in the old town was active particularly

in the 1770s in acquiring premises mainly within the walled town [REF 207]

whilst TEMPLE in Portsea ...

p22: Another brewery to cease trading in 1843 was DEACON's in Penny St. A

further Chancery Court action by the DEACON family in 1842 resulted in a ruling

that the brewery & properties should be auctioned & the proceeds distributed.

The brewery was demolished to make way for a canteen attached to the Clarence

Barracks. [REF 237] ... The situation at DEACON's brewery was somewhat

different in that 7 tenements were located within the walls surrounding the

brewery & its yard. [REF 238] In addition to accomodation for the labourers.

each large brewery had its `brewery house' where the senior partner or manager

would live.

Sale particular's of DEACON's brewery from the Hampshire Telegraph 18.9.1843:

"To be SOLD pursuant to an Order of the High Court of Chancery made in a

certain cause "DEACON v. DEACON" with the approbations of the Honourable Sir

George ROSE one of the Masters of the said Court, at the George Inn, at

Portsmouth.

The FREEHOLD & long LEASEHOLD ESTATES of the late James [61?] & William [6]

DEACON consisting of the well arranged & old established BREWERY situate in

Penny St, Portsmouth, abutting on the ramparts with a 60 barrel copper, all

requisite Buildings, Sembling & Yards (& an ample supply of fine spring water)

necessary for carrying on a Trade of 10,000 to 12,000 barrels per annum.

There is an excellent RESIDENCE for a Managing Partner & 7 TENEMENTS for the

Men, the whole occupying a large space of ground enclosed by lofty brick walls.

The PUBLIC HOUSES occupy good commanding situations in the Town of Portsmouth

(sic) & in Portsea, Landport, Kingston, Kingston Cross, & the in occupation of

yearly tenants under agreements.

The time of Sale will be shortly advertised when particulars which are in

course of preparation, may be had (gratis) at the said Master's Chambers, in

Southampton Buildings, Chancery Lane, London; Messrs. FOSTERS & EVANS,

Solicitors, No. 28 John Street, Bedford Row, London; Messrs. WING & TWINING,

Solicitors, No. 1, Gray's Inn Square; of Mr. NEWYLYN, Solicitor, Portsmouth; at

the Auction Mart, Bartholomew Lane, & the Corn Exchange, Mark Lane, London; of

Messrs WINSTANLEY Paternoster Row, at the prinicipal Inns oat Portsmouth,

Southampton & Chichesster; of Messrs. ROSE & Henry DEACON at the Brewery, who will show the Property."

p23 Table 2 shows DEACON owning 35 Licensed Houses in 1830 (following CARTER

(PIKE) with 74 & SPICER with 40) with GER (Gross estimated rental) of Brewery

90P. Source: PCRO Rate Returns 1830; various title deeds.

p25: ... the 60 barrel copper at DEACON's brewery was said to be capable of

producing 10 to 12,000 barrels per annum: [REF 248] that is brewing 4 times a

week throughout the year.

The Beerhouse Act achieved one of its aims immediately, that of eroding the

tied house system. Of the new beerhouses only the ones directly attached to

breweries were tied initially. The established breweres, PIKE, GARRETT, DEACON

& SPICER, all had spirit businesses as well as their brewing & they seem to

have been content owning 80% of the public houses in the borough. When DEACONs

ceased trading there was so little interest in their 27 public houses that a

2nd auction had to be held. [REF 249]

Only 7 of DEACON's houses were bought by brewers in Portsmouth, although 2

Gosport brewers bought 2 each, 6 of the licences lapsed & 10 passed to

non-brewers [250], an indication that regardless of the fact that new spirit

licences were not being granted by the mangistrates, the brewers were not

unduly concerned about increasing their outlets. ....

Conclusion. Undoubtedly the presence of the Royal Dockyard in

Portsmouth has been the driving force behind the development of the

local brewing industry, & the town has always prospered from defence &

war because of that presence. The King's brewhouses & subsequently the

naval contracts developed a disproportionatly large brewing industry

in the town which was augmented by, & later sustained by the regular

influx of seamen & soldiers, & the ever-growing population needed to

service the Dockyard & garrison. The recurrence of the brewers' names

in the list of Mayors, Aldermen & even MPs attest to their wealth &

influence, points which are reinforced by the existence of brewing

dynasties founded in the 17th & subsequent centuries. ...

p26: Appendix: Breweries in Portsmouth 1784 to 1847 has at the 1st listed:

Dates: 1695-1843, Address: Penny St, *: O [meaning?],

Name of attached BH/PH (Brewing House/Public House?): Portsmouth Arms PH,

Main occupiers: MUDGE/DEACON, Brewery name: -.

JD found out about the brewery by searching the rate books in Portsmouth.

NB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.pomeroy/local/pub_d.pdf gave

1823 Duke of Wellington; 1865-2005 Wellington Hotel; 65 High St

DEACON (1840) >PETERS> IND COOPE> PUNCH Robert KILN

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.pomeroy/local/brewery.pdf gave

Castle Brewery, Castle Road

1830 James CULL 44

7.3.1832 To be sold by auction by the trustees of the late Mr CULL 100

1855-65 Charles ADNAMS (1859 P17) 34,35,59.94

1887 F-P-, 1892 A-P-, 1904 Ceased brewing 5(63)

1979 Brewhouse demolished

Attached to Wheelbarrow & Castle

DEACON, William; Penny St (near barracks)

MUDGES Brewery passed to widow of Thomas PERKINS 5(51)?

Widow PERKINS married George KELLEY 5(51)?

1727 George KELLEY bankrupt 5(51)?

Daniel SMITH, later Eliz. SMITH, widow 5(51)?

Widow SMITH with Wm RICKMAN & Michael ATKINS 5(51)?

1775 64(3)

1783-1840 Malthouse & brewhouse (1840 P135) 44,60, 61,94

1802 William DEACON 94

1811 J & W DEACON, Brewers, Penny St 164

1816 Wm died son Henry James CULL to manage estate 5(51)

1823 DEACON's Brewery 38

1841 Estate of Wm DEACON (P150) 94 My ID: (10)5

1842/3 Chancery Court action by DEACON family 5(51)?

4.7.1842 To be sold by auction with 27 public houses 100

3.7.1843 For sale Henry DEACON lately James & Wm 100 My ID: (10)52

1842-44 Sarah DEACON 94 My ID: (10)52-sp

1845 To be sold (As above) 100

1845-46 Colonel CAMPBELL tenant Frances BARNABY 94

The Crown 94

1847-48 James BRYAN tenant Frances BARNABY 94

site now in barracks 5(51)

The numbers on RHS refer to references at

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.pomeroy/local/refs.pdf

For example

5(x) = Portsmouth Papers, No. x

34= Portsmouth Geographical Essays, Portsmouth Polytechnic

35= Post Office directories 1847, 1855, 1875 (Kelly) PCL

38= Hollingsworth's guides, PCL 1823 [PCL=Portsmouth City Library]

44= Pigot's directories 1823, 1830, 1844 PCL

59= White's directories 1859, 1878 PCL

60= Bailey's Western & Midland directory 1783, PCL

61= Sadler's Hampshire directory 1784, PCL

64(x)= Portsmouth Record Series Volume x

94= Portsea Rates Books, PCRO [Portsmouth City Rates Office]

100= Hampshire Telegraph, PCL

164= Holden's directory 1811

There is also a reference to St Thomas St near DEACON's Court.

Alan.King@portsmouthcc.gov.uk wrote 24.10.06:

# From Mary HALLETT, 'Portsmouth's Water Supply, 1800-1860' (Portsmouth Paper

12, 1971), p.15

'After domestic consumers, the water companies' most valuable customers were

the brewers. At least nine of them - [including] William DEACON - invested in

Portsea Island [Water] Company. Most of them also took that company's water,

although they all had their own supplies.'

A summary of his will 13.6.1791, codicil 15.6.1791, proved 1.10.1792, using ID numbers at deacon.html where his ID is (10):

(10) William DEACON (1733-1792) a very wealthy merchant & brewer with property

in Portsmouth, Portsea, Westbourne Sussex & Southampton, & in Brading on the

Isle of Wight,left very specific directions about disposal of is worldly goods,

providing handsomely for his wife & 7 surviving children: (10)1 James b 1762,

(10)4 Elizabeth Ann 1765-1836, (10)5 Wm b 1767, (10)9 Jane b 1769,

(10)9 Ann b 1774, (10)(11) Henry b1777 & (10)(12) Mary b 1780 clearly stating

what investments were to be made & what property sold so that each should have

a large annuity. He made his 2 elder sons his executors. At the date of his

will only his dr Elizabeth (10)4 was married - to George TRIPP RN.

He also wished that his sons would ".. maintain & keep for my said wife's sole

use, as good a pair of horses for drawing her carriage as they know I would

have driven myself, & knowing how fond I was of driving, & that my wife should

have the use of the stables, coach house & lodging over the coach house,

lately built by me near my Brewhouse, for the purpose of keeping her horses,

harness, & her carriage. Her coachman to have his quarters in the lodging.

The will was written, signed & sealed on 13.6.1791, witnessed by Edward LINZEE,

John ..., & George BINSTEAD. There followed a codicil:

NB It is my will & desire that the following particulars take place after my

decease, notwithstanding they were omitted from the main body of my will -

I give my dear wife Elizabeth my pew in Portsmouth Church (St Thomas') being in

the front of those North Galleries towards the west end of the church, for the

use of herself & our children for & during the term of her natural life & after

her decease I give the same unto my dear & eldest son James DEACON. The said

pew has been in the occupation of my family about 60 years.

William DEACON 15.6.1791.

The will was proved on 1.10.1792 in the PCC the relict Elizabeth, the 2 sons

James & William. - I think it was a fight between these 2 that consumed the estate.

William DEACON has ID (10) at 1. of

PART 1 of deacon.html, formerly

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kitwithers/deacon/deacon.html

now at

https://kitwithers.substack.com/p/deacon-of-portsmouth-hampshire-1691

This stops with

(10)7223 5-Ann Madeleine LEWIS b 5.8.1855 Chessington, Surrey.

PART 2 is at

https://kitwithers.substack.com/p/deacon-of-portsmouth-hampshire-1691-c29

This starts with

(10)7224 5-George L Bridges LEWIS b 3.3.1857 Northaw Parsonage, Hertford

===================================================================

See there for issue. My line starts with their 5th child:

(10)5 William DEACON 1767 Portsmouth-c1840 Plymouth "William 2"

m 1793 Farlington to Sarah BEDFORD 1774 Portsmouth-1859 London

(10)52 Henry DEACON 1796 Portsmouth-1856 Camberwell, Surrey

m 1836 Eliza Gittens PETTET 1816 Rochester-1849 Portsmouth

(10)522 Fanny DEACON (1838 Portsmouth-1910 Auckland)

m 1868 Auckland to Thomas WHITSON 1844-1881 Auckland

Lisa WHITSON (1872 Auckland-1936 Auckland)

m 1900 Auckland to Edward Stroude WITHERS (1871 Donnington-1922 Auckland)

Wynn WITHERS 1914 Auckland-1982 Auckland

m Laurette RUSSELL 1918 Auckland-2010 Auckland - my parents.

So Elizabeth JUDSON 1736 Portsmouth & William DEACON 1733 Portsmouth

are my great^4 grandparents.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (10)

112 3-Mary JUDSON bp 11 Jun 1738 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth.

1770: she was a witness at marriage of her sister Rebecca [115 below].

Unmarried. Listed as a Baker of St Nicholas St in English bakers at

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.pomeroy/local/bakers.pdf

JUDSON, James: 1784 St Thomas St p61; 1798 Portsmouth

JUDSON, Widow: 1784 St Nicholas St p61; 1798 Mary JUDSON, Portsmouth

ref 62 Universal British Directory 1798, PCL

NB This also gives many other bakers in St Nicholas St including CHEESEMAN 1784.

Her will of 1.3.1804 at 3. names 114 & sp, 1142, 1145, 1146, 1149 & sp,

114(12), 115-sp, 1151, 1152, 1154; also these children of 111:

(10)1, (10)4, (10)5, (10)9, (10)(11) of 1. of deacon.html above.

Spinster of Portsmouth, Hampshire probated 09.12.1805 PROB 11/1435

ex http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline

(sent to Bridget by Joan OURANI of California, a descendant of

[11] Talbot Edwards JUDSON of Portsmouth.)

This is the Last Will and Testament of me MARY JUDSON of Portsmouth in the

County of Southampton: Spinster - made whilst I am of sound and disposing

mind, memory and understanding:

I give and devise unto my brother-in-law THOMAS VIVION [sp of 115] and my two

nephews JAMES DEACON [1111, ie (10)1 of deacon.html] and JOHN VIVION [1151]

their heirs and assigns - all that messuage, tenement and dwelling place with

the appurtenances and land thereof situated in St. Nicholas Street in

Portsmouth and now in my occupation for the ends, intents and purposes

hereinafter indicated that is to say in trust for my brother JAMES HENRY

JUDSON [114]; ANN JUDSON [1146]; REBEKAH JUDSON [1149] and JANE JUDSON

[114(12)] the daughters of my brother JAMES JUDSON [114] their heirs and

assigns forever, to be equally divided between them as tenants-in-common and

not as joint tenants.

And my will is that should any of my nieces happen to die under the age of

twenty one without leaving any child or children lawfully begotten, or shall

happen to die within the lifetime of their father JAMES JUDSON then their

shares to be equally divided between the survivors.

I give to THOMAS VIVION [sp of 115], JAMES JUDSON [114] and

JOHN VIVION [1151] the sum of £300 in trust to invest the same in some good

security in their or his own name or names and to pay the dividends, interest

and yearly produce arising to JAMES JUDSON [114] his heirs and assigns.

I give to my nephew JOHN VIVION [1151] the sum of £20.

I give to my nephew WILLIAM DEACON [1115] the sum of £20 I give to my nephew

HENRY DEACON [111(11)] the sum of £20.

I give to my niece ELIZABETH TRIPP [1114] the sum of £20 [ancestor of BMT.]

I give to my niece ANN BRIDGES [1119] the sum of £20

I give to my brother-in-law JAMES JUDSON [but 114 is her brother - presumably

an error by the clerk] the sum of £20 in addition to what I have already given

him and to his wife ELIZABETH JUDSON [sp of 114] I give the sum of £20.

I give to my niece ELIZABETH JUDSON [1142] the sum of £10

I give to my niece MARY JUDSON [1145] the sum of £10

I give to my niece ANN JUDSON [1146] the sum of £10

I give to my niece REBECCA VIVION [1153] the sum of £10 and to her husband

[presumably this should have read father not husband] THOMAS VIVION I give the

sum of £20

I give to my nephew THOMAS VIVION [1152] the sum of £20

I give to my niece ANN CATHERINE DESBOROUGH [1154] the sum of £20

I give to CATHERINE the wife of... BRITLAND Esq., of Carlisle in the County

of Cumberland the sum of £5

And, as for and considering all the rest, residue and remainder of my goods,

chattels, ready monies, stock in trade debts and securities for money and all

other personal estate or estates and effects whatsoever, after the payment of

my just debts, legacies and the charge for proving this my willI give and

bequeath the same unto JAMES JUDSON, THOMAS VIVION and JOHN VIVION and JAMES DEACON to be equally divided between them.

I hereby nominate, constitute and appoint them executors of this my will

In witness whereofl the said MARY JUDSON have subscribed my name and set my

seal this 1 st day of March in the year of our Lord 1804 MJ.

The witnesses were JANE KIGMAN and WILLIAM ESCOTT servants to Miss JUDSON and JONATHAN SHUGAR of Portsmouth Attorney-at-Law

The only IGI entry of BRITLAND in Hants is after the will:

. Elizabeth BRITLAND m: 24 JUN 1840 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth Edward Ralph COKE M062512 1710-1872.

……………………………………………………………………………………………………….

113 3-William JUDSON bp: 24 Aug 1740 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth d 14 JUN 1741

114 3-James JUDSON bp 2 May 1742 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth. Listed as

Master Baker in English bakers at Universal British Directory 1798, PCL

ex http://ntl.world.com/stephen.pomeroy/local/bakers.pdf

23.1.1779 General Advertiser and Morning Intelligencer,London. [By auction.]

On 3.2.1779 at the house of John EAMES with the sign of the Crown, in

Portsmouth. A house in the market place occupied by James JUDSON, baker,

tenant at will with dry cellars with arches for holding liquors & 10 loads of

coal. The ground floor has a commodious shop with parlour. 1st floor diningroom

with chimneys & closet, bedchambers. 2nd floor2 bedchambers with lodging room

for servants. Across a courtyard is a large kitchen & lofty laundry & garret

for 3 beds, .. a stable for 2 horses with a hay tallot, with a passage into

Penny St.. 1 of the best houses for lodgers in Portsmouth.

m 26 Jun 1774 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Elizabeth COSTER

[cf James COSTER bp: 16 JUN 1790 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

son of James & Elizabeth COSTER C062513 1770-1812.]

1141 4-John JUDSON bp: 22 Mar 1775 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth d 13 JUN 1775

C062513 1770-1812

1142 4-Elizabeth JUDSON bp: 27 Mar 1776 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812. Her will of 3.4.1821 names 1144, 1146, 1149:

Spinster of Portsea, Hampshire - probated 05 June 1821 PROB 11/1644

ex http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Her will names 1144, 1146, 1149.

This is the Last Will and Testament of me ELIZABETH JUDSON [1142] of the

parish of Portsea in the County of Southampton: Spinster made whilst I am of

sound, disposing mind, memory and understanding

I give and bequeath unto my sister REBECCA LOFTIN [1149] my gold watch with

the chain, seals and appendages thereto belonging, together with all my

trinkets and wearing apparel of every description for her own use and benefit

absolutely.

I give to my sister ANN JUDSON [1146] the sum of £5 to be paid as soon as

convenient after my decease.

And as to all the rest and residue of my goods and chattels, ready money,

money in the public stocks or funds of this kingdom and all other personal

estate whatsoever and wheresoever - after the payment of my just debts,

funeral expenses and the charges of proving this my will I give and bequeath

the same to my brother WILLIAM JUDSON [1144], Captain in the Royal Marines for

his own benefit absolutely.

I nominate and appoint my brother WILLIAM JUDSON the whole and sole executor

of this my will.

In witness whereof I the said ELIZABETH JUDSON have hereunto set my hand and

seal this 3rd day of April in the year of our Lord 1821 E.J.

Witnesses SARAH CARTER and JONATHAN SHUGAR Attorney-at-Law

Proved 5th June 1821 before the Judge by the oath of William JUDSON, brother

and sole executor having been first sworn by commission duly to administer.

1143 4-John JUDSON bp: 15 Jun 1777 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth,

C062513 1770-1812

1144 4-William JUDSON bp: 11 Sep 1778 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth. d 7.10.1823.

C062513 1770-1812. Captain in Royal Marines.

His will of 11.11.1823 (probated 4.2.1824) names 1146, 1149, & sp of

111 & her grandson (10)52 Henry DEACON of 1. of deacon.html above:

This is the Last Will and Testament of me WILLIAM JUDSON a Captain in the

Portsmouth Division of the Royal Marines made whilst I am of sound and

disposing min~ memory and understanding -

I give devise and bequeath unto my sister REBECCA LOFTIN [1149] my dwelling

house, outhouses, garden and appurtenances thereto belonging situate and

lying in Hambrook Row in Southsea in the Parish of Portsea and to her heirs

and assigns forever.

I give and devise unto my sister ANN JUDSON [1146] my dwelling house in Wish

Street in the Parish of Portsea (late in the occupation of Mr George Henry

MOTTLEY, now in the occupation of Mrs Ann MEREDITH) and also the two pieces of land, one of which is now a wood-yard and chase adjoining thereto, (and now in

the occupation of Mrs GARDINER which I lately purchased of Thomas CROXTON) her heirs and assigns forever.

I also give and devise to the said REBECCA LOFTIN and ANN JUDSON all that

messuage, tenement and dwelling house situate at Forton near Gosport in the

Parish of Alverstoke as tenants in common.

I also give and devise to REBECCA LOFTIN all my household goods, plate, linen,

china, furniture, books, wines and liquors to her absolutely and to my these

my two sisters all my monies in the public stocks

I give to my housekeeper Elizabeth the wife of John SURRIDGE (?) a private in

the Royal Marines the sum of £10 sterling, should she be still in my employ at

my decease, but not otherwise.

I do appoint JOHN SUTTON SHUGAR of Portsmouth: gentleman and HENRY DEACON

[my ancestor 11152?] of Portsmouth: brewer executors of this my will

In witness whereof I have this day set my hand and seal 7 October 1823

Witnesses: J. BRITTAIN and E.J.O. HOENBY and J. NEWLYN

Southsea 20 October 1823

I give unto WILLIAM DEACON [sp of 111, ie (10) at 1. of deacon.html] my pony

and chaise and harness (not to be parted from)

I also give ELIZABETH SURRIDGE my servant, the small feather bed in her

sleeping room.

I also give to J. MURRAY (?) All my plain coats, waistcoats and trowsers (sic)

and round hat

Witnessed Wm. STEPHENS

I give WM. DEACON [sp of 111] my newest black coat, silk waistcoat and black

trowsers which are not to be included in the clothes given to my servant

J. MURRAY.

I also give WM DEACON my blue cloak lined with red to go with the carriage

for the use of him and family.

As the two codicils were not properly witnessed two people who had known

WILLIAM JUDSON well had to appear in court to testify that they were written

in his handwriting. These two were JONATHAN SHUGAR, the family solicitor and

JOSEPH DUDLEY, a silversmith. They also swore that to the best of their

knowledge and belief he had died on or about the 11 November 1823.

Probate was granted on 4 February 1824.

1145 4-Mary Jane JUDSON b 8 APR 1780 bp: 17 May 1780 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812

m 20 SEP 1806 Portsea, Hampshire sp-James PORTER M062612 1774-1815

?1841 Crondall Ewshott Tything, Crondall, Hampshire:

James Porter 55 1786 Hampshire Ag lab

Mary Porter 60 1781 Hampshire

?1851 The Street, Crookham, Crondall, Hampshire:

James Porter Head M 67 1784 Crondall, Hampshire Ag lab

Mary Porter Wife M 71 1780 Crondall, Hampshire

?1861 Crookham St, Crondall, Hampshire:

James Porter Head M 78 1783 Doemissfield/Dogmersfield, Hants Ag lab

Mary Porter Wife M 81 1780 Odiham, Hants

??11451 5-Mary Ann PORTER bp: 21 FEB 1813 Headley, Hampshire

dr of James & Mary PORTER C132702 1717-1875.

?1841 Silver St, Christchurch, Hampshire:

Mary Ann PORTER 25 1816 Hampshire [lodger? crossed out]

Harriet PORTER 5 mo 1840 Hampshire

...

1146 4-Ann JUDSON bp: 2 Jul 1784 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth C062513 1770-1812.

Looks like

Will of Ann JUDSON of Portsmouth , Hampshire 17.3.1825 proved10.6.1825 PROB 11/1700 PCC at

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline order 2006: I/06/00629445C:

In the name of God Amen

I Ann JUDSON of Portsmouth in the Co of Hants do make this my last will &

testament in x following that is to say I desire that all m just devts funeral

& testamentary expenses be paid by my executors hereinafter named as soon as

possible after my decease.

I give & bequeath [gab] to James WESTON/VIVION?? of Marlbro' Row, Portsea

tailor the sum of 100P

I also gave unto the Reverent J REEVES Minister of the Independent Chapel at

Bishops Stoke in the said co of Hants the sum of 100P

Also to the Reverent J SOCSON/JUDSON?? Minister of Crosby Row Chapel Suores?

Fields in the borough the sum of 50P

I gab to the Deacons? or Elders of the said Chapel the sum of 50P to be by

them applied in promoting the roust? & for the benefit of the said CHapel as

they in their discretion shall think proper & expedient

I also gab to Nicholas LOOP?? son of William SOOURY?? Priest? of Portsmouth

aforesaid the sum of 10P

I also gab to Alfred STROUD? son of said William Sobury PRIEST the sum of

10P & each of the daughters of the said William Sobury PRIEST now born & which

shall be living at my decease the sum of 5P each

I also gave to Stephen HAWKINS of Wilton? War? Portsmouth the sum of 10P to

be by him distributed amongst the poor & destitute of the village of Wilton

aforesaid

the whole of the before mentioned legacies I desire? to be paid by my

executors & trustees hereinafter named within 6 months afater my decease & as

to all the myhousehold & copyhold estates hereditaments & promises whatsoever

& wheresoever estate together with all the interest residue & remainder of all

my personal x x in the funds monies servitors? for monies or of any other

interest whatsoever, I gab the same unto Mr James SOOLLIS/SODLES? of Bishops

Hote? in the co of Hants miller & the Reverent James ORCHARD? minister of the

Tabernacle Paddington & the survivor of them? his heirs executors

administrators & afcions? for ever upon trust to receive? the rents interests

dividends & profits thereof to pay & apply the same from time to time do they

cooperatively borrow? due

and xxx to my sister Rebecca LOFTIN [1149] of Surubsand? in the co of hants

for & during the term of her natural life for her sole use & x & not to be

subject to the debts habilites? or control of her present or future husband

with whom she may after marry & her receipt alone to be a sufficient discharge

from and after the decease of my sister Rebecca LOFTIN then upon trust to sell&

dispose of any freehold & copyhold estate & their receipts to be a sufficient

discharge to the purchaser & to x & get in all monies to which I may have

under securities so that the whole may be turned into money & laid out &

invested in Government or real securities as my trustees shall think fit & to

revive? the interest & dividends theeof from time to time as the same shall

benefit? but & are revived? by them & apply the same in manner? following that

is to say out moiety? thereof x of & for & towards the support of the Sout?

Independent Missionary Society for the co of Hants & the other worthy thereof

in aid of & for towards the support of the South Suboperiant? Missionary

Society for the Co of Hants? & in case of the said Hant? Missionary ceasing

to exist then immediately after the happening of survival? I direct my said

trustees & survivor of them & the executors or admin'rs of sure survivor to

pay direct the same in manner following which aspect moiety thereof x poor

Members of Disputing/ Depositing? Chambers? of Indepenedent principals in the

Co of [insert: Hants & the other moiety thereof amongst poor Members of

Isoring? Members of Judspordout? priniples in the Co of] Bucks?

& I gab unto both of my said Enototes?? the said James HOLLIS & James

ORCHARD the sum of 50P each

I hereby nominate constitute & appoint he said John HOLLIS & James ORCHARD?

the executors of this my last will & testament hereby revoking all former &

other wills by me at any time hereinbefore made & do declare this to be my

last will & testament

In witness whereof I hage hereunto set my name? & seal this 17th day of March

1825 (signed) Ann JUDSON

signed & published & declared by the said Ann JUDSON the testatrix as & for

her last will & testament in the presence of us who at her request in her

presence & in the presence of each other have subscribed our names as

witnesses hereto (signed) J MOMFORTR?, Nath'l HISIER?, THomas CLARKE

Proved at London 10th June 1825 before the worshipful Pope? ADDAUS? Dr of Laws

& Surrogate by the oath of James ORCHARD one of the executors to whom admon

was granted being first sworn duly to admr power reserved to James HOLLIS the

other executor.

1147 4-Edward JUDSON bp: 2 Jul 1784 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812

1148 4-Thos. JUDSON b 20 NOV 1785 bp: 25 Jan 1786 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812; d by 1790: see 114(11).

1149 4-Rebecca JUDSON b 25 AUG 1787 bp: 31 Oct 1787 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812 Named in 1825 will of 1146.

m: 27 JAN 1810 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hamps sp-George LOFTIN 1791 not Hampshire

M062612 1774-1815. No chn found on IGI.

1841 East House, Warblington, Hampshire:

Geo LOFTIN 50 1791 not Hampshire HP Irnvyr

Rebecca LOFTIN 50 1791 Hampshire

114(10) 4-Sarah JUDSON b 28 FEB 1789 bp: 3 Apr 1789 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

d 27 SEP 1789. C062513 1770-1812

114(11) 4-Thomas JUDSON bp: 10 Sep 1790 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812

114(12) 4-Jane JUDSON bp: 11 Dec 1794 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812

………………………………………VIVION………………………………………………….

115 3-Rebecca JUDSON bp: 2 Feb 1745 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

In 1824 will of husband.

m 22 Jan 1770 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, sp-Thomas VIVION M062513 1759-1795

m by licence, witnesses Wm DEACON [m 111] & Mary JUDSON [112].

d 7.1.1824 Beckenham?, Brompton, Kent. Purser, Royal Navy.

His will 3.3.1823 proved 14.4.1824 His will ex Clare EAGLE 2006 to BT:

I Thomas VIVION Purser in His Majesty's Royal Navy being of sound mind and

memory do make this my last will and testament that is to say

I give and bequeath to my dear wife Rebecca VIVION all the money and pay due

to me and all property of whatsoever nature or kind I may die possessed of for

her sole use and benefit and I do also appoint her the said Rebecca VIVION and

my eldest son Lieutenant Colonel John VIVION of the Royal Regiment of Artillery

to be joint Executrix of this my said last will and Testament. Signed at

Brompton in the County of Kent 3.3.1823.

Witness Wm DENNIS - - - Wm BALE Adj't Marines, Thos VIVION.

Proved at London 14.4.1824 before the worshipful John HAGGARD Doctor of Laws

and Surrogate by the Oath of John VIVION Esq'e the son of the Executors to

whom Administration was granted being first sworn duly to Administer Power

reserved to Rebecca VIVION Widow the Relict the other Executor.

BT per a British Naval Researcher: "Thomas VIVION was a purser in the Royal

Navy. A purser was a warrant officer, and thus not a commissioned officer at

this time. This made his records harder to find. Apparently the purser was the

man who suppled the ship, keeping the profits he made. He usually needed

financial backing, and thus I suspect that his connection to the JUDSON family,

victuallers in Portsmouth, facilitated both money he needed to start, and the

supplies he was required to find.

In appointment lists for officers in the Navy under ADM?1117011, he was

stated to have died on 7 January 1824. Under ADM/11169/1 we find him appointed

to the newly built ship HMS BRITANNIA on 21 April 1812 as Purser. In

ADM/ll/63/3 we find two subsequent ships he was assigned to as Purser. On 8

December 1812 he joined the VILLE DE PARIS, and on 17 August 1815 he joined the

SPENCER. However there was no information on earlier or later appointments, so

perhaps he was not a purser prior to 1812, but working his way up. The Navy

lists him trom 1814, where he was listed as the second most senior Purser in

terms of when he entered the Navy, which was 1768. From 1816 until his death

in 1824 he was the most senior in the Navy. In 1768 he may have entered the

Navy as a Purser, or as a Junior Purser, but the records do not seem to exist

to show this prior to 1812. Since there were earlier lists, and Pursers were

mentioned (I checked ADM 11165 which covers 1780-1784, and ADM 11168, which

covers 1803-18110 then I assume he did not become a full Purser before 1812.”

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (11)

Lower L is labelled "Rebecca nee JUDSON VIVION 1745-". Upper R is thought to be her husband & labelled "Thomas VIVION d Beckenham, Kent 1824".

Lower R may also be him: it is labelled "Thomas VIVION RN The Purser".

Upper L is labelled " Captain Thomas VIVION RN 1772-post 1840" - back of

picture, killed off Soree, may be their son 1152 below. ex Betty Nash CARLSON via BT.

BT has a letter of his.

1151 4-John VIVION bp: 20.1.1771 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth C062513 1770-1812.

d 1832. Left something in the will of his Aunt Mary JUDSON ca 1805.

In his father's will of 1823 he is "my eldest son Lieutenant Colonel

John VIVION of the Royal Regiment of Artillery", an executor with his mother.

His will proved 1832 at *1151 of 2. names his wife, parents,

br 1152, sr 1154 & husband; a witness was solicitor 11172 Wm LEWIS, [(10)72 of

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/deacon/deacon.html] son of his 1st

cousin 117 Jane DEACON, [(10)7 of deacon.html].

Will proved 5.12.1832. He owned property at Brighton. When his will was made

he was a major in HM Royal Regiment of Artillery & a Lt Colonel in the Army

(one rank was within the regiment & the other for years of service, pay,

pension, etc - BT.) BT:

Per Regiment sight there is a listing dated Jan. 1812 Captain John VIVION.

These were men listed on the Malta Family History website.

m sp-Elizabeth Henrietta - appears to have had no issue.

Will of John VIVION 1771-1832 proved 5.12.1832 names his wife, parents,

br 1152, sr 1154 & husband; a witness was solicitor 11172 Wm LEWIS, [(10)72 of

deacon.html] son of his 1st cousin 117 Jane DEACON, [(10)7 of deacon.html]

ex BT: Abstract of the Will of MAJOR JOHN VIVION 1771-1832 [1151] a Major in His

Majesty's Royal Regiment of Artillery and a Lt. Col. in the Army (two ranks

were - one for position within the regiment and one for years of service, pay,

pension etc., within the wider army.)

He gives his entire money invested, owed or otherwise into the care of three

trustees: his dear wife Elizabeth Henrietta VIVION; Lt.Col. Stephen GALWAY Adjutant of the Royal Artillery; and Sir John LOWELL Knight, after they have discharged all his debts, funeral expenses etc., they are to invest the remainder of the

money in Government or Real Securities in such a way as to produce interest

which will pay for five legacies in the fonn of annuities to his parents:

THOMAS VIVION and REBECCA VIVION [115]; to his wife ELIZABETH HENRIETTA; his brother Capt THOMAS VIVION RN [1152], and his sister ANN CATHERINE [1154] the wife of Lt. Gen. LAWRENCE DESBOROUGH, Royal Marines when she dies her share to be equally divided among her children (not named)

This will is signed by JOHN VIVION and witnessed by WILLIAM LEWIS 2, Middle

Temple Lane, Solicitor (He is (10)72 of deacon.html, [son of Major George LEWIS

and Jane DEACON (10)7 there]b Capetown 1797 d Eastbourne 1864, he became the

family solicitor to the TRIPPS, DEACONS, JUDSONS, and apparently the VIVIONS

too!)

Codicil I 16 June 1825: After he had written his will JOHN VIVION bought an

annuity of £164/14/O for the life of his wife Elizabeth he wishes the amount

invested to be realised after his death and given as a lump sum to his wife

for her sole use and benefit This was witnessed by WILLIAM LEWIS, HANNAH STEAD of 59 Grand Parade, Brighton and ELIZABETH STANFORD Servant to Col. VIVION.

Codicil II 5 July 1826: He had that day completed the purchase of a house in

Brighton at No. 19 Regency Square from Mrs MARIA WALKER it was necessary to

add this codicil because he wished the value of the house to be counted in

with his personal fortune which was to be divided among the legatees.

Codicil III 10 February 1829: he had that day arranged to buy the house at

No. 18 Regency Square and wished it too to be included in his estate. He must

perhaps have been already feeling ill because he is anxious that his trustees

complete the settlement and sale should he die before being able to do so.

He wanted to be certain that it was included in the estate for his wife's

benefit. In fact he lived until 1832.

His Will was proved in London with three codicils on 5 December 1832 before

the Worshipful JOHN DAUBENY Doctor of Laws, by the oaths of Sir John LOWELL:

Knight and Stephen GALWAY esq., having been sworn first duly to administer

the same. Elizabeth Henrietta renounced, which just means that she left it to

the other two trustees to complete the fonnaIities,.this was often done to

spare the widow a "public" appearance.

m sp-Elizabeth Henrietta - appears to have had no issue.

1152 4-Thomas VIVION b 04.1.1772 bp: 8.4.1772 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812. BT says there was also a TV b17.9.1775 Portsmouth so former may have d young. Named in will of 1151 as a captain in the Royal Navy.

BT: entered navy age 11, Lieutenant 10.11.1794, Commander 21.10.1810, retired as captain 10.9.1840. Per Royal Navy Sight: Lieutenant Thomas VIVION Promoted Lieutenant 1794. Per a British researcher: "Thomas VIVION, the son of Thomas VIVION, entered the Navy 18 Oct 1782 as a Captain's servant (ADM 1 07118 page 57 and ADM6/93 page 211) on HMS MOHAWK until 24 June 1783; he served again as a Captain's servant on the DOLPHIN 25 June 1783-31 Jan. 1784; & on the NAUTILUS as a Captain's servant November 1784- 25 July 1785; served on the NAUTILUS as a

clerk 26 August 1785- 18 Jan 1786; on the GRAMPUS as an Able 19 Jan 1786-3 May

1786: the ALCIDE as an Able 25 Jan 1791- 21 June 1791; on ALCIDE as a

midshipman 22 June 1791- 4 Oct 1792; on the SCORPION as a Master mate 10 Oct

1792- 9 Sept 1793; on the IRRESISTIBLE as a Master's mate 10 Sept 1793- 3 Oct

1793; on LA NYMPHE as a Mid & Masters's mate 4 Oct 1793-24 December 1793;

on the ARETHUSA as a Midshipman 25 December 1793- 2 May 1794.

He served under Captain George TRIPP, gr4grfr of BT & husband of his 1st cousin

1114 Elizabeth DEACON, ie (10)4 of deacon.html above, on the ALCIDE,

Sir AS DOUGLAS (SCORPION), FARRLS (LA NYMPHE) and Sir E PELLEW (ARCTHUSA). Passed his Lieutenancy 8.5.1794; (ADM 196/6 page 469) made lieutenant

10.11.1794, commander 21.10.1810, retired as a captain 10.9.1840. The the ships Thomas VIVION commanded are not listed in the Naval lists, only those of captains and lieutenants are. " See also Times entries under 9. below.

WM JAMES 1800-05 "The naval history of Great Britain" Vol 3 Conway Maritime

Press p132: .3.1801 Lt Wm VYVIAN of the Marines (battle).

Nav. Chron. vol 5 Gazette Letters p253 letter of Sir Chas HAMILTON 8.1.1801:

killed Lt VYVIAN, 1st Lieutenant of Marines.

1841 census Week St, Maidstone, Kent:

Thomas VIVION 60 1781 not Kent Navy HP

Edwin SAYER 15 1826 Kent Chemist App[rentice]

Eliza DAVIES 30 1811 Kent HS [Home servant?]

1851?

1153 4-Rebecca VIVION b 1 FEB 1773 bp: 24 Nov 1773 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062513 1770-1812.

?1153a 4-William VIVION bp 5.7.1778 Portsmouth, Hampshire; d by 1804.

He may have been Lieut. VIVION killed off Senegal 1801.

"The Times" [London] 25.7.1815 "War-Office Promotions, Office of Ordnance:

- Royal Regiment of Artillery -Brevet Major John VIVION to be Major.

Per "The Times" 5 March 1801 -Ship news: "Also arrived the Asia transport,

from the Coast of Guinea, with invalids on board. She brings an account that

Sir Charles HAMILTON had sent Lieut PALMER, 3d Lieutenant of the MELOMENE, and Lieut. VIVION of the Marines, with a number of men, into the Harbour of

Senegal, to cut out a large brig, of which they took possession after on

obstinate resistance, and the loss of 11 men, and Lieutenants PALMER and

VIVION. The survivors were unable to bring the vessel out of the harbor owing

to the wrong tides. - Found by JN on ancestry.com

1154 4-Ann Catherine "Kate" VIVION b 28.12.1780 Chichester bp 20.5.1781 St Thomas, Portsmouth C062513 1770-1812. Died Dec Q 1861 at the home of her daughter & son-in-law, Mary 11545 and Henry D., Broadgate Villa, Pilton, Devon.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (12)

This photo of her later in life is courtesy of BT.

JN: A family member wrote: "My mother's grandmother, known as "Mrs. General" in

the DESBOROUGH family, lived at Hythe on the coast with her husband who was in command there. Once she was on her way to London by boat to do her shopping & was captured by the French. For two years she was a prisoner in France. Then at the end of the war she came back home in the same red cloak she went away - so the family told the tale. A chart lists her as b 20 May 1781.

Her husband and she are buried at Canterbury Cathedral.

1841 Beckenham, Kent: Can anyone help me find the full entry?

Lawrence DESBOROUGH 11542

Mary DESBOROUGH

Kate DESBOROUGH 60 1154

1851 M with her her daughter 11545 Mary and son-in-law Henry DESBOROUGH.

1861 "Aunt" W b 1781 Portsmouth, Hants with her daur 11545 Mary & husband.

Her jewelry box was in the Historical Soc Exhibit.

Portsmouth Researcher Diana GREGG: Ann Catherine was the youngest child of

Thomas VIVION and Rebecca JUDSON.

………………………………DESBOROUGH - a general and Napoleon……………………………………..

m 17.12.1803 St Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire sp-Lawrence DESBOROUGH

b 15.11.1758 Huntingdon d 7.8.1825 Canterbury, Kent.

When m'd she was 22 & he 45 "Lt General of the Buffs" -BNC.

Marriage per 'Portsmouth Parish Registers Marriages 1776-1812 Compiled by A.H.

COLTART MA 1934 page 112. "Lawrence DESBOROUGH, widower, Colonel, Portsmouth

Div. of Marines and Ann Catherine VIVION, Licence issued 17 Dec 1803 - St.

Thomas a Becket (now cathedral of new Portsmouth Diocese)."

- Held at Portsmouth Record Office (BT). Their marriage in the Gentleman's Magazine p1184?: 1803 Dec 17 Marriage At Portsmouth, Lieut-col. Desborough of the Royal Marines to Miss Vivion.

It is also listed in "Registers of St Thomas a Becket, Portsmouth Church:

Portsmouth, England: Published Portsmouth by W.H. BARRELL, Printers 1934

pages 167 - Hampshire. Lawrence DESBOROUGH, W., Colonel, Portsmouth Div. of

Marines, & Ann Catherine VIVION, Lic. 17 Dec. 1803.

Nav. Chron. vol 8 1802 p176 (letter of?) Col. VARLO: Mrs DESBOROUGH, Lady of

Col. DESBOROUGH of the Royal Marines.

He has ID 34 on his family tree at

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf accessed via

http://www.manfamily.org/Desborough_Family.htm

The latter site has photos of his parents. This was his m2.

He m1 Harriet BOUCHIER .8.1765 Peterborough-1802 Peterborough,Northamptonshire;

no children.

His father Lawrence DESBOROUGH (1725-1799) b Bucksden, Hunts, raised his

family in Huntingdon. Henry of the Post Office was his second son and

Lawrence was his 3rd out of 14 children, only one dying in infancy:

- Ed MAN, eandpman@bloomington.in.us 2006:

I am descended from Henry DESBOROUGH of the Post Office through two of his

daughters. One married Edward MAN and the other John Webber HARRIS.

My great-grandfather, Edward Desborough MAN, married his first cousin,

Louisa Mary HARRIS.

An ancestor John DISBROWE was general in the parliamentarian forces during the

English civil war: he married Oliver CROMWELL's sister Jane CROMWELL.

He is named as a Lt. General in the Royal Marines in the will of 1151.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (13)

This portrait of him later in life is courtesy of BT. Another from

https://manfamily.org/about/other-families/desborough-family/

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (14)

Lieut. Gen. of Buffs, Governor of Portsmouth, Governor of Latham. Lived in

BECKETT's House in Canterbury Close. Per Joyce Maud ROXBY: he lived in the same Beckett House in Canterbury Close that Bishop DAVIDSON's widow lived in in the 1930s. He was Commandant of Plymouth when Napoleon was brought there in 1814. He was in charge of NAPOLEON until he was sent to Elba. Lawrence was a 'Windsor Knight'. Alban CAROE to George BURNELL: "Lawrence was Commandant of Plymouth when Napoleon brought there in 1814. His daughter Mary married her cousin Henry DESBOROUGH your ancestor. You have her photograph."

Obituary per Gentleman's Magazine 1825, pt 2, page 286 Kent. August. At

Canterbury aged 66 Lieut. Col. DESBOROUGH of the Royal Marines. A second

obituary Kentish Gazette 1825. Listed in 'Canterbury Cathedral Register 1564-1875' Burial Published London 1878 Temple Lib. Santa Monica, CA. page 157; "7 Aug 1825 Lawrence DESBOROUGH, of the Precincts of the Archbishop's palace, Age 67 years"

His promotion is listed in the index of Gentleman's Magazine: LAWRENCE

(Lt. Gen.' prom. 1821 pt. 2, 174.

The following is a love letter transcribed by Joan NOURANI and her sister:

I am involving myself in such inextricable _ from the _ of mental

indulgence I have of late yielded to that it becomes necessary I should _ my

pursuits not only to prove weather they be good or no, but, what is of far

greater importance whether or not it be expedient that they should be

persevered in and this must be determined not so much by my own wishes or

desires, as by the interest you take in them & as it may affect your future

happiness or prosperity in life. I think I need not explain to you why my

visits have been so frequent to you, nor is it necessary for me to say that I

wish always to be with you, & that, in your absence, I sigh for something that

I fain would believe comes along with it a panacea whose healing powers are

such, as shall with the tiniest touch soften and assuage & cieatrize the

wounds of my long suffering heart by the affliction which it has pleased

Heaven to visit me - Oh! this is a subject fit only for the calm mind of

philosophy. I must not touch upon it here even this little too much when I am

seeking to establish such an interest with you, whose wishes & whose

excellencies are such that those ought to be in admitted rivalry even though

at rest in the peaceful quiet grave - but I am wildly inconsistent - led from

the point, or rather ingeniously severing myself from it, from a view of the

difficulties I feel towards introducing it with that delicacy & feeling as

such a subject deserves - but to be silent longer would be to hazard a

suspicion that my mind revolts at; & this must not be _ how shocking to be

looked upon as an idle unmeaning dangler, forbid it be know would god my dear

Miss VIVION, I would flatter, myself, that in a survey of myself as to

situation, circumstances & years I could see nothing but what would justify

this address - all then would be calm within & I should unhesitatingly,

declare my election: as it is I can only thus insinuate where and how much my

partiality is established to what serious exclusions it points - leaving you

to decide whether or not it ought to be encouraged - I have thought that the

Simple establishment of a field officer of the marines at one time was all I

should require and thought the times are not improved since then - I shall

think when hearts engaged, it might do: what says my humble friend? Could she

conform to such a ridged system which such circumscribed means would

prescribe? & could she undertake the trial with one having no other

pretensions to offer-than a sincere and affectionate Heart that Heaven too.

Having induced the severest conflicts of pain and pleasure & which comes not

therefore the sort of offering which thy innocence, thy youth, & other strong

pretensions so greatly claim - All that I have to offer however is thine - I

fear not worthy thy acceptance but, whether or not, I am sure you will be

ingenious - if you bid me hope I will endeavor to deserve such mighty - boon

- but if a denial awaits me I will submissive - take it as the award of

Providence and add it to the score of ills with which my days have been

visited - though I see it not doubtless for my good and I shall yet continue

with the greatest partiality on my dear Miss V

Your ever faithful and affectionate friend L. DESBOROUGH Oct. 16, 1803

Per British National Archives listed as: 1791 Laurence DESBOROUGH Officer of

Marine Forces and Lawrence DESBOROUGH Lieutenant Colonels.

Per cambridgeshire.gov.uk: SISMEY Papers item ref 3658/E4(e) "Laurence

DESBOROUGH was born in Huntingdon and christened at All Saints and St John's

in 1758. He was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant in the Marines 13 Nov .1775, and

promoted Ist Lieutenant 4 Feb 1777. He was Quartermaster to Portsmouth

Division Aug 1779, and was promoted Captain, Jan 1782. Placed on half pay in

1784, he was recalled to the active list in 1793. In accordance with then

practice, he was placed on the Army List of Majors, 1794, wearing that rank

and using that style of address. He and DARLEY were shipmates in CUMBERLAND

and PRINCE OF WALES Nov 1794-April 1795. DESBOROUGH embarked in PRINCESS ROYAL

in August 1795, and joined Admiral JERVIS' fleet off Cadiz, where DARLEY was

already serving. He achieved the Army rank of Lt Colonel early in 1798, and

the same rank in the Royal Marines December 1803, shortly after conferment

upon the Marines in June 1802 of the style Royal. He was a Colonel on the Army

list in April 1808 and in February was promoted Colonel 2nd Commandant at

Chapham Division, a post he continued to hold beyond June 1811, when he

achieved the rank and style of Major General on the Army list. He was retired

on full pay at the end of the war, and is not on the Royal Marines pay list

after 1819. He was promoted to Lt General on the Army list in 1821, and died at

Canterbury in August 1825, aged 66.

1851 residence Point Blackheath,Greenwich.

For some more on his family see http://www.manfamily.org and

http://www.manfamily.org/Desborough_Family.htm

11541 5-Ann Catherine DESBOROUGH bp 16 SEP 1805 Cambridge to Lawrence &

Ann Catherine I018149. d June 1826 lately of Bamburg, France - Gentleman's

Magazine 1826, p.574 via JN. Unmarried.

11542 5-Lawrence DESBOROUGH b 8.9.1806 bp 17.12.1806 Chatham, Kent.

'likely died' 10 July 1874 -ex Annie MAN's Birthday book at manfamily.org

?Lawrence DESBOROUGH 1807-Sep Q 1874 Windsor, Berkshire & Surrey.

This info is ex JN. Vital Records 1469178.

His b in the Gentleman's Magazine p873: 1806 Sept 8 Birth At Chatham, the wife of Lieut.-col. Desborough of the Royal Marines, a son.

m sp-Mary Aletta CAMERON 1811 Cape of Good Hope d 17.2.1879 Leatherhead,

Surrey. 7 chn (thanks to Ed MAN for details).

1841 Beckenham, Kent: Can anyone help me find the full entry???

Lawrence DESBOROUGH 11542

Mary DESBOROUGH

Kate DESBOROUGH 60 1154

1851 Point, Blackheath, Greenwich, Kent:

Lawrence DESBOROUGH Head M 44 1807 Rochester, Kent

Teacher, prepare candidates for commission in army 11542

Mary DESBOROUGH Wife M 40 1811 Cape of Good Hope (British subject)

Lawrance DESBOROUGH Son 14 1837 East Indies Scholar 11542 2

Mary DESBOROUGH Daur 13 1838 East Indies Scholar at home 11542 3

Charles DESBOROUGH Son 9 1842 East Indies Scholar at home 11542 5

Mary DESBOROUGH Sister M 36 1815 Rochester, Kent

Wife of Secretary to Asnls office 11545

Harriet DESBOROUGH Sister U 43 1808 Rochester, Kent 11543

Harriet Kent Servant U 27 Cook

Phoebe Low Servant U 26 Housemaid

James Horkham Servant 16 Footman

1861 Lamel Lodge, Halebett Land/Hatelie Nhouse, Sunninghill, Berkshire:

Lawrence DESBOROUGH Head M 54 1807 Rochester, Kent

Retired Captain army, military teacher? 11542

Mary A DESBOROUGH Wife M 50 1811 Cape of Good Hope, British subject

Mary A DESBOROUGH Daur U 23 1838 India, British subject 11542 3

Charles N DESBOROUGH Daur U 19 1842 India, British subject Scholar 11542 5

Catherine H DESBOROUGH Daur U 9 1852 Sunninghill, Berks Scholar 11542 6

John O DESBOROUGH Son U 7 1854 Sunninghill, Berks Scholar 11542 7

Charles D CAMERON Visitor U 34 Douglas,Isle of Man Captain,Consul in Abyssinia

James S ROBERTSON Boarder U 24 Hendred, Berks Assistant Master, BA Cambridge

Charles SUMNER Serv U 16 Page

Sarah GRENHAM Serv U 33 Cook

Sarah GOUGH Serv U 43 Housemaid

Duncan W COOK Pupil U 20 Ivy Bridge, Devonshire Scholar

Henry H PERRY Pupil U 17 Australia Scholar Honorable

Edward GOOCH Pupil U 17 Woodbridge, Suffolk Scholar Bart

Edward OPENSHAW Pupil U 18 Burry?, Lancashire Scholar

George PONTINE Pupil U 17 Barkby, Leicestershire Scholar

Adnan MARRYATT Pupil U 16 Naples British subject Scholar

William H LYONS Pupil U 17 Caniellfergus, Antigua Scholar

1871 14 Military Knight Un, New Windsor, Extra Parochial, Berkshire:

Maria DESBOROUGH Wife M 60 1811 Cape of Good Hope

Wife of a military Knight who was abroad

Lawrence C DESBOROUGH Son U 34 1837 India British subject

Captain Madras staff Corps 11542 2

Maria A DESBOROUGH Daur U 33 1838 India British subject

Daur of Capt DESBOROUGH 11542 3

Emily RUDGE Visitor U 35 1836 Eutebrne, Berks Daur of a barrister

Alice AUSTON Serv U 18 1853 India British subject Gen serv dom

11542 1 6-Catherine Aletta DESBOROUGH b 27.7.1835 India. Not found in census.

www.fibis.org gives her b date:

At Ghazeepore, the lady of Lieut. DESBOROUGH, of H.M. Buffs, of a daughter.

- East India Register 1836, Edition 2, Presidency Bengal.

11542 2 6-Lawrence Cameron DESBOROUGH 1836 India. 1841? 1851 with parents.

1861? 1871 with mother. 1881?

11542 3 6-Maria Aletta DESBOROUGH b 6 Oct 1837 Muress, India

1841? 1851-61 with parents as Mary. 1871 with mother. 1881?

1891 Kirby Park, West Kirby, Cheshire:

Reginald ANNESLEY Head M 39 1852 India Cotton broker

Harriett Annesley Wife M 38 1853 Gatton, Surrey

Kathleen Annesley Daur 8 1883 Birkenhead, Cheshire

Eric ANNESLEY Son 7 1884 Birkenhead, Cheshire

Claud Annesley Son 6 1885 Birkenhead, Cheshire

Reginald W ANNESLEY Son 5 1886 Birkenhead, Cheshire

Helen M ANNESLEY Daur 4 1887 Birkenhead, Cheshire

Ursula M Annesley Daur 3 1888 West Kirby, Cheshire

Richard J Annesley Son 1 1890 West Kirby, Cheshire

Hannah J DONALDSON Serv M 46 Cook

Mary E LICKAR Serv S 18 Nurse

Susan KELLY Serv S 21 Housemaid

Mary A DESBOROUGH Visitor S 53 1838 India 11542 3

1901 21 Whitehall Park, Islington, London:

Emily HOLT Head S 61 1840 Eton, Bucks

Jessie HOLT Sisterinlaw W 69 1832 Datchell, Bucks Living on own means

Dora Holt Niece S 31 1832 Datchell, Bucks

Lewis Holt Nephew S 33 1832 Datchell, Bucks Costumier

Mary DESBOROUGH Visitor S 63 1838 Muress, India Living on own means 11542 3

Clara FAITHFUL Serv S 30 Cook

Amy THOMAS Serv S 19 Housemaid

11542 4 6-Harriet Vivion DESBOROUGH b 14 Aug 1839 India

IGI: Harriet Vivion DESBOROUGH b 14.8.1839 Meerut, West Bengal, India

bp 15 SEP 1839 Meerut to Lawrence DESBOROUGH & Maria Allitie C750043 1839.

Not found in census.

11542 5 6-Charles W/N DESBOROUGH 1841 India

1851-61 with parents. 1871?

11542 6 6-Catherine Harriet DESBOROUGH 1852 Sunninghill, Berkshire

1861 with parents. 1871?

11542 7 6-John Owen DESBOROUGH .6.1853 Sunninghill, Berkshire reg Jun Q Windsor

d reg Dec Q 1921 Farnham, Hampshire & Surrey.

1861 with parents. 1871-91?

m sp-Caroline Ida 1860 Liverpool, Lancashire

1901 Downton, New Radnor, Herefordshire:

John Owen DESBOROUGH Head M 48 1853 Ascot, Berkshire

Sugar plantation manager ret 11542 7

Caroline Ida DESBOROUGH Wife M 41 1860 Liverpool, Lancs

Frederick DESBOROUGH Son 9 1892 Liverpool, Lancs 11542 72

Irene H DESBOROUGH Daur 8 1893 St Mabyn, Cornwall 11542 73

Mabyn DESBOROUGH Daur 6 1895 St Mabyn, Cornwall 11542 74

Charles Edward DESBOROUGH Son S 21 1880 Baldoch, Herts

3rd Mate Merchant Marines 11542 71

Mary Jane Davies Serv S 19 1882 Housemaid

Helen Williams Serv S 21 1880 Cook

11542 71 7-Charles Edward DESBOROUGH b 1879 Baldoch, Hertfordshire reg Dec Q

Hitchin. 1881?

1891 Christs Hospital, Christchurch Newgate Street, London:

Charles Edward DESBOROUGH Scholar 11 1880 Baldoch, Hertfordshire

1901 with parents.

11542 72 7-Frederick DESBOROUGH 1892 Liverpool, Lancs 1901 with parents.

?Frederick John DESBOROUGH b reg Jun Q 1878 West Derby, Lancashire.

11542 73 7-Irene Hilda DESBOROUGH 1892 St Mabyn, Cornwall reg Dec Q Bodmin,

Cornwall. 1901 with parents.

11542 74 7-Mabyn DESBOROUGH 1895 St Mabyn, Cornwall 1901 with parents.

Rosamond Mabyn DESBOROUGH b reg Jun Q 1894 Bodmin, Cornwall.

......

11543 5-Harriet DESBOROUGH b 26.10.1807 Chatham, Kent (vital records ex JN)

bp: 14.3.1808 Chatham, Kent to Lawrence & Ann Catherine C021789.

Her b was mentioned in the Gentleman's Magazine: 1807 Oct (Lately) Birth At Chatham, the wife of Colonel Desborough of the Royal Marines.

d 17.4.1888 Ilfracombe, North Devon reg Jun Q Barnstaple, Devon; unmarried;

family records and grave stone. <!-- d is from Betty Nash CARLSON, Joan's aunt -->

1841? 1851 with brother 11542 Lawrence & his family.

1861-81 with sister 11545 Mary.

11544 5-Charles DESBOROUGH b 1810 Not found in censuses.

11545 5-Mary DESBOROUGH b 16.7.1814 Chatham,Rochester,Kent d 17.4.1894 at

3 Montpelier Tce, Ilfracomb, Devon. She has ID 44 at

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

This shows that her father Lawrence 1758 (ID 34) was brother to Henry 1755

(ID 32) whose son Henry 1785 (ID 40) was her husband. That is, she married her

1st cousin.

1841? 1851 with brother 11542 Lawrence & his family.

m 12.5.1834 All Saints, Southampton, Hants sp-Henry DESBOROUGH b 30.1.1785 at

53 Charlotte St, St Pancras, Middlesex. d 11.5.1862 Broadgate, Pilton,

Barnstable, Devon. Son of Henry DESBOROUGH (son of Lawrence Sr.) and Louisa

LUTHER. (Henry & Louisa were 2nd cousins.) This was Henry Jr's m2. Henry from https://manfamily.org/about/other-families/desborough-family/

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (15)

The links there for his letters to Sir Robert PEEL & for his retirement dinner from the Atlas Insurance Company fail. An ancestor married Oliver Cromwell’s sister Jane.

[[Henry's 1st marriage:

m1 12.4.1817 St George the Martyr, Holborn, Middx sp-Margaret Elizabeth ABBOTT

b 28.6.1793 Bristol, Glouc. d 1.10.1831 Southgate, Middlesex

daur of Peter ABBOTT & Margt CASSELMAN. Some info here is from

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf where Henry has ID 40.

Their 8 chn were:

[1] Mgt Louisa 1818 London-1832 Southgate, Middlesex

[2] Susannah 1819 London-1833 Brighton, Sussex

[3] Ann 1820 Walthamstow, Essex-1909 Ilfracombe, Devon

m 1853 Beckenham, Kent sp-James Lawrence MAN 1818 Berks-1888 Devon

[4] Fanny Clement 1821 London-1823 London

[5] Henry 1822 London-1902

[6] John 1824 Colney Hatch, Middlesex-1918 Devon - ID 46 there for more.

[7] Mary 1824 Colney Hatch, Middlesex-1907 Devon - ID 47 there for more.

[8] Charles 1826 Southgate, Middlesex-1861 Devon.]]

1851 Beckenham, Kent:

Henry DESBOROUGH Head M 63 1788 London

Secretary to Atlas Fires & Life Assurance Co

Mary DESBOROUGH Daur U 25 1826 Middsx [7]

Henrietta DESBOROUGH Daur U 14 1837 Southgate, London Scholar at home 11545 1

Louisa DESBOROUGH Daur 12 1839 Greenwich Scholar at home 11545 2

Catherine DESBOROUGH Daur 11 1840 Beckenham, Kent Scholar at home 11545 3

Edwd B DESBOROUGH Son 7 1844 Beckenham, Kent Scholar at home 11545 6

Lawrence N DESBOROUGH Son 6 1845 Beckenham, Kent Scholar at home 11545 7

Harriet DESBOROUGH Daur 4 1847 Beckenham, Kent Scholar at home 11545 8

Fanny S DESBOROUGH Daur 3 1848 Beckenham, Kent 11545 9

Alice DESBOROUGH Daur 1 1850 Beckenham, Kent 11545 (10)

Anne DESBOROUGH Aunt W 70 1781 Portsmouth, Hants Annuitant 11545

Emma NEALE Governess U 39 Governess

Elizh BROWNING Serv U 26 House serv

Mary TRUNDEL Serv U 29 House maid

Rachel COLLISON Serv U 22 Nurse

Mary CORK Serv U 17 Nurse maid

Jane PERRING Serv U 26

Fredk ELLIS Serv U 14 Footman

1861 139 Broadgate Villa, Barnstaple, Pilton, Devon:

Henry DESBOROUGH Head M 76 1785 London

Pensioner of the Atlas Assurance Comp'y of London

Mary DESBOROUGH Wife M 46 1825 Rochester 11545

Charles DESBOROUGH Son U 35 1836 Southgate Captain East India Survan [8]

Lousia A DESBOROUGH Daur U 23 1838 Greenwich 11545 2

Cathrine DESBOROUGH Daur U 21 1840 Beckenham 11545 3

En'd B DESBOROUGH Son U 18 1843 Beckenham 11545 6

Harriet DESBOROUGH Daur U 15 1846 Beckenham 11545 8

Alice DESBOROUGH Daur U 11 1850 Beckenham 11545 (10)

Cathrine A DESBOROUGH W 80 1781 Chichester Annuitant 1154

Harriet DESBOROUGH Visitor U 53 1808 Chatham 11543

John MOCK Serv M 36

Rachael COLLISON Serv U 30

Betsy RODD Serv U 24

Elizth CHAPPEL Serv U 22

Sarah PARKIN Serv U 21

1871 Park House, Gidleigh, Devon:

Mary DESBOROUGH Head W 56 1815 Rochester, Kent Interest of money 11545

Edward B DESBOROUGH Son U 27 1844 11545 6

Emily J WATHEN Grand daur 7 1864 India 11545 11

Margaret WATHEN Grand daur 6 1865 India 11545 12

Mary DESBOROUGH Grand Daur 7 1864 Ceylon 11545 51

Emily M DESBOROUGH Grand Daur 5 1866 Isle of Wight 11545 52

Elizabeth FLOOD Serv U 39 Cook

Maria PIKE Serv U 23 Housemaid

Harriet DESBOROUGH Sister U 63 1808 Chatham, Kent 11543

1881 Dwelling 3 Springfield Terrace,Ilfracombe, Devon:

Mary DESBROUGH Head W 66 1815 Chatham, Kent Annuitant 11545

Harriet DESBROUGH Sister W 74 1807 Chatham, Kent Annuitant 11543

Mary L. DESBROUGH Niece 17 1864 Celyon Annuitant 11545 51

Alice L. DESBROUGH Niece Daur 8 1873 India Scholar A sister of 11545 54??

Not found in other censuses.

Henry M. DESBROUGH Neph 6 1875 India Scholar 11545 54?

Harriet BURNELL Visitor M 29 1852 Buckenham, Kent Scholar 115458

Charles BURNELL Visitor 6 1875 Buckenham, Kent Scholar 11545 81

Patience GAMMON Sev 27 Berrynabor, Devon Cook

Mary WHEBBER Sev 20 Ilfracombe, Devon House Maid

1891 3 Montpelier Tce, Ilfracombe, Devon:

Rachel KERSWILL Head W 60 Kings Lynn, Norfolk Lodging house keeper

Alice Kerswill Daur S 25 Barnstaple, Devon

Alfred V Kerswill Son S 21 Barnstaple, Devon Office clerk

Mary DESBOROUGH Lodger W 76 1815 Rochester,Kent Living on own means 11545

Mary L DESBOROUGH Lodger S 27 1864 Ceylon British Subject Governess 11545 51

Mary E BUTTERWORTH Lodger S 40 1851 Henbury,Gloucestershire Living on own means

At No. 7 is Mary's daur 11545 (10) Alice GOODWIN & family - see below.

13 chn (thanks to Ed MAN for details: Ed descends from Henry's father, Henry.

11545 1 6-Henrietta DESBOROUGH b16.4.1836 Southgate, London d18.1.1868 Kent

bp 16 JUL 1836 Weld Chapel, Southgate, London - IGI C042631 1805-1864.

d reg Mar Q 1868 Bromley, Greater London, Kent.

Henrietta has ID 48 at

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

1841? 1851 with parents. 1861 visiting family of husband-to-be: see below.

m 30.7.1862 St Mary the Virgin, Pilton, Devon reg Sep Q Barnstaple sp-Frederick

K WATHEN 1803 Stroud, Gloucestershire d 9.11.1865 Dalhousie, Punjab Province,

Negal Presidency, India.

1861 Beckenham Lodge, Beckenham, Kent:

Hulbert Wathen Head M 58 1803 Stroud, Gloucestershire Wholesale tea dealer

Louisa Wathen Wife M 47 1814 Wallop, Hampshire

Charlotte S Wathen Daur U 22 1839 Streatham, Surrey

Frederick Wathen Son U 21 1840 Streatham, Surrey Student at Oxford University #

Arthur C Wathen Son U 20 1841 Streatham, Surrey Student at Oxford University

Alfred Henry Wathen Son U 18 1843 Streatham, Surrey Clerk to his father

Emily L Wathen Daur U 16 1845 Beckenham, Kent Scholar

Caroline M Wathen Daur U 14 1847 Beckenham, Kent Scholar

Francis Wathen Son U 10 1851 Beckenham, Kent Scholar

Amy G Wathen Daur U 5 1856 Beckenham, Kent Scholar

Albert F WILKINSON Nephew U 16 Downside, Somersetshire Scholar

Henrietta DESBOROUGH Visitor U 24 1837 Southgate, London 11545 1

Catherine CARTER Serv U 40 Cook

Elizabeth KNOTT Serv U 26 Lady's maid

Mary MUZZELL Serv U 27 Housemaid

Hannah KEIGHTLEY Serv U 17 Housemaid

William JACKSON Serv U 18 Groom

Where is Henrietta in 1871? 1881?

??m Dec 1878 Bristol 6a 176 sp-Alfred WARNER orThomas GODDARD

11545 11 7-Emily Louise WATHEN b 19.5.1863 India.

1871 with grandmother Mary 11545. 1881?

m Mar 1890 Kensington 1a 183 sp-Christopher John JACOBS or John Sadler PHILLIPS

In 1881 there is an Emily M PHILLIPS S 16 1865 India, niece to Fredk PHILLIPS.

Then there is

1891 Bournemouth, Holdenhurst, Hampshire with Fanny WILKINSON S 56:

Emily PHILLIPS Visitor M 27 1864 Mevritza, India.

11545 12 7-Margaret Henrietta WALTHEN b13.12.1864 India

1871 with grandmother Mary 11545.

d reg Jun Q 1873 Bromley, Greater London, Kent.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (16)

.........................### START OF US BRANCH ###.................. NASH

11545 2 6-Louisa A'hmuty DESBOROUGH b7.6.1838 Cheapside, London d 6.16.2.1922

Nashville, Lincoln Co, Oregon, USA She has ID 49 at

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

1841-51? 1861 with parents. Referred to as Aunt Louie by 11545 51 ML WISE.

#Ancestor of Joan NOURANI. <!-- and her sister Barbara Nash POPE -->

m 4.4.1868 St Michael, Chagford, Devon sp-Wallace NASH b 16.8.1837

No. 1 Paragon Mews, Southwalk [Southwark?], Surrey d13.3.1926 Lincoln Co.,

Oregon, USA. Neither found 1881. When did they go to USA?

1871 Dorans Rd, The Avenue, Beckenham, Kent:

Wallis NASH Head M 33 1838 Southwark, Surrey Solicitor & attorney

Louisa A'hmuty? NASH Wife M 32 1839 Greenwich, Kent 11545 2

Willis Gifford NASH Son 4 1867 Hackney, Middlesex 11545 21

Mary Ruth NASH Daur 11 months 1870 Beckenham, Kent 11545 22

Phillip Henry RYESMITH Visitor U 31 1840 Wallanston?, Essex MD London FRLP

Alice DESBOROUGH Sisterinlaw U 21 1850 Beckenham, Kent Annuitant 11545 (10)

Elizabeth DUFTY Serv U 28 Cook

Elizabeth BLYTH Serv U 26 Nurse

Alice Jane NAKEHAM Serv U 22 Housemaid

Eliza BUNTING Serv U 15 Nursemaid

11545 21 7-Wallace/Wallis Gifford NASH Mar Q 1867 Hackney, Middlesex

1871 with parents. 1881?

11545 22 7-Mary Ruth NASH b 12.4.1870 Beckenham, Kent 1871 with parents.

1881?

11545 23 7-Henry Vivion NASH b 28.8.1871 1881?

11545 24 7-Arthur DESBOROUGH NASH b 15.9.1872

11545 25 7-Percival NASH b 30.1.1874 d23.8.1937 Las Vegas, Clark Co., Nevada

ID 63 at http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

m 23.11.1912 Cuba, Allegany Co., New York sp-Mary COLE b 11.10.1886 Cuba,

Allegany Co., New York d 3.3.1977 Lake Oswego, Clackamas Co, Oregon. 6 chn.

11545 251 8-Eldrige Cole NASH 31.4.1914

11545 252 8-Lewis DESBOROUGH NASH 8.11.1915

11545 253 8-John NASH 1918

11545 254 8-Betty NASH 25.4.1922

11545 255 8-Oliver Wallace NASH 3.7.1926

11545 256 8-Mary Jean NASH 21.3.1929

...

11545 26 7-Oliver Wedd NASH b 30.5.1875

11545 27 7-Oscar NASH b 3.9.1876

11545 28 7-Dorothea NASH b 25.11.1878

11545 29 7-Louis Darwin NASH b 7.6.1880 Corvallis, Clark Co.,Oregon,USA

d 5.6.1961 Newport, Lincoln Co, Oregon.

ID 64 at http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

m sp-Faye COMMONS b 1885 Newton, Harvey Co, Kansas d 29.5.1977 2 chn.

11545 291 8-Faye Louise NASH 7.2.1922

11545 292 8-Kathryn NASH 18.8.1923

...

11545 2(10) 7-Roderic Nicholson NASH b 5.6.1882 Corvallis, Clark Co., Oregon,

USA d 5.11.1965 Corvallis, Clark Co., Oregon, USA

ID 65 at http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

m 9.11.1910 Corvallis, Oregon sp-Faith LISTER b 3.8.1887 Cape Rich, Ontario,

Canada d 27.9.1966 Corvallis, Oregon. 2 chn.

11545 2(10)1 8-Mary Louisa NASH 16.7.1913

11545 2(10)2 8-Nancy NASH 12.8.1926

......................### END OF US BRANCH ###........................

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (17)

11545 3 6-Catherine DESBOROUGH b14.7.1839 Manor House, Beckenham, Kent

1841? 1851 with father. 1861 with parents. Alive 1901.

m 30.7.1862 St Mary the Virgin, Pilton, Devon sp-Murray Alexander MATHEW 1839

Finchley, Middlesex. 1871?

1881 Stone Hall, St Lawrence, Pembrokeshire, Wales:

Murray A MATHEW Head M 42 1839 Finchley, Middlesex Curate Of St Lawrence TC

Catherine MATHEW Wife M 41 1840 Beckenham, Kent 11545 3

Matilda J MATHEW Sister U 43 1838 Finchley, Middlesex

Mary GULLIFORD Servant U 27 Comte Florey, Somerset Cook Dom

MA MAJOR Servant U 22 Ilminster, Somerset Housemaid

Caroline HARTNELL Serv U 19 Bishops Lydeard, Somerset Ladies Maid

Thomas LUXTON Servant U 22 Trull, Somerset Groom Dom

1891? 1901 She is M with sister 11545 8 Harriet BURNELL.

1901 Brislington, Somerset with many others:

M A MATHEW Boarder M 63 1838 Finchley, Middlesex Occupation not known.

11545 4 6-Harriet DESBOROUGH b12.11.1840 Manor House, Beckenham, Kent d 1840.

11545 5 6-Samuel Holworthy DESBOROUGH b13.10.1841 Beckenham, Kent

b reg Dec Q 1841 Bromley, Greater London, Kent. d 4.12.1878 Madras, India.

He has ID 50 at

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

1851-71?

m 13.10.1862 Ceylon sp-Louisa Elizabeth RUST 1845 Chelmsford, Essex. 4 chn.

1871??

1881 6 Spring Place, Millbrook, Hampshire:

Edward R Chamberlain Head M 54 Thorpe, Norwich, Norfolk

Paymaster Royal Navy Active List

Susanna E Chamberlain Wife M 47 Reculver, Kent

William H Chamberlain Son U 22 Tranmere, Cheshire Lieut. RN Active List

Isabella M Chamberlain Daur 13 Southsea, Hants Scholar

Mabel L Chamberlain Daur 11 Southsea, Hants Scholar

Gertrude M Chamberlain Daur 10 Southsea, Hants Scholar

Robert L Chamberlain Son 9 Dartmouth, Devon Scholar

Harold G Chamberlain Son 8 Dartmouth, Devon Scholar

Edgar W Chamberlain Son 7 Dartmouth, Devon Scholar

Alfred B Chamberlain Son 6 Dartmouth, Devon Scholar

Eva G Chamberlain Daur 5 Dartmouth, Devon Scholar

Ernest G Chamberlain Son 4 Dartmouth, Devon

Louisa DESBOROUGH Visitor W 36 1845 Essex sp-11545 5

Charlotte E CHAMBERS Governess U 19 Governess

Mary Ann Evans Serv U 25 Housemaid

Emma ARSCOTT Serv U 23 Cook

1891 13 St James Pl, Wrafton, Ilfracombe, Devon:

James SANDERS Head M 67 Berrynarbor, Devon Retired blacksmith

Mary A Sanders Wife M 54 Ilfracombe, Devon Lodging house keeper

Lucy Darch Serv S 19 Combmartin, Devon Dom serv

Louisa E DESBOROUGH Lodger W 45 1846 Chelmsford, Essex sp-11545 5

Hilda DESBOROUGH Lodger S 18 1873 India Governess school 11545 53

1901?

11545 51 7-Mary Louisa Norma DESBOROUGH b 13.11.1863 Ceylon d 1909

1871 with grandmother 11545 Mary DESBOROUGH. 1881 with 11545 Mary DESBROUGH.

1891 with grandmother 11545 Mary DESBOROUGH.

JN has an undated letter she wrote after her m while living at Bramley,

Coombe, Nottingham Rd, Croydon to her sister 11545 52 Emily MCCONNELL.

BT: letter by 11545 51 ML WISE (13.11.1863-1909): Return address Bramley,

Coombe, Nottingham Road, Croydon undated.

My Dearest Maud [11545 52 Emily 'Maud' Desborough MCCONNELL],

"It is as usual a very insignificant token I have sent you, I wish it were of

more value. Still - have & many good wishes come with it. The original was

Tom VIVION he was in HMS Navy. It was a son of Capt. VIVION. Kate VIVION

[1154?]'s father our gt. gt. grfather [115?]. Aunt Minnie [Minnie BURNELL

wife of 11545 6?] has his two sons and

mean to have them done in there. The Cap. VIVION you have, and brother of

William & also Kate our Great grandmother. It is the last of the minatures

Aunt M. has, but Aunt Louie [Louisa Desborough NASH 11545 2] has one of Kate

V [1154]. I have asked her to give it up to be photographed if she can so do,

but frame thin tin - we'll see. Is not Aunt Alice [1154 (10)]'s daughter a t-.

I have worked harder to include it is with his good a photographer as his

others have to hand to the photographer chipped through the glass. It is back

here to have it. if her others both then I will make him do it. It is

Willie VIVION [11521?], Son of tbe Cap. VIVION [1152?] I sent you both.

[BT: no it was John V killed.] Year he was killed off Cape Gores 1792 or 1798.

- Where is Gores?] He was a brother of Grmother Kate VIVION [1154]. Aunt M

[Minnie BURNELL 11545 6?] has one the alternent work. Works with in War Dept,

them ring was very strict too!

Much love, your Nonnie - [Mary Louisa 'Nonnie' DESBOROUGH WISE 11545 51]

m Jun Q 1893 Kensington1a 289 sp-John Herbert WISE b reg Sep Q 1864 Croydon,

Greater London.

1881 Scarborough, Yorkshire:

John H WISE 16 1865 Croydon, Surrey Scholar

How. K WISE 14 1867 Croydon, Surrey Scholar

(1881 has another JW 1862 Croydon, Surrey; in 1871 son of Job.)

?1891 11 Floon St, Chelsea, London:

Frances WISE Head W 50 1841 Acton, Middlesex Laundress

John WISE Son S 26 1865 Croydon, Surrey Lance Sgt 2 Middlesex Regiment #

Frederick Wise Son S 20 1871 Chelsea, London Bricklayers laborer

James Wise Son 14 1877 Chelsea, London Errand boy

Mary H MARTIN Lodger S 30 1861 London Mautte maker

1901?

11545 52 7-Emily Maude DESBOROUGH b 1.2.1866 Isle of Wight, Hampshire

1871 with grandmother 11545 Mary DESBOROUGH.

1881 Clapton House, Clapton Road, St John Hackney,London with other students:

Emily M DESBOROUGH Scholar 15 1866 Isle of Wight, Hampshire

1891?

m Jun Q 1895 Kensington 1a 302 sp-Arthur John MCCONNELL

1901?

11545 53 7-Olive Hilda Graham DESBOROUGH b 13.9.1872 India 1881?

1891 with mother. 1901?

11545 54 7-Henry Morley Man DESBOROUGH b 23.10.1874

?1881 "nephew" with 11545 Mary DESBROUGH. 1891-1901?

WW I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918:

Henry Man DESBOROUGH of Deer Lodge, Montana

...

11545 6 6-Edward Brandram DESBOROUGH b12.5.1843 Beckenham, Kent d .9.1901

Pilton, Ilfracombe, Devon. 1851-61 with parents. 1871 with mother.

m 6.8.1875 St Peter, Barnstaple,Devon sp-Martha Elizabeth Augusta BURNELL-JONES

b 28.5.1845 Pilton, Ilfracombe, Devon d 1912.

Was she the "Aunt Minnie" referred to by her niece 11545 51 ML WISE?

1881 Dwelling Littabourn Ter, Pilton, Devon:

Edward B DESBOROUGH Head M 37 1844 Beckenham, Kent None

Augusta B DESBOROUGH Wife M 35 1846 Pilton, Devon

Elizabeth HARRIS Serv U 38 Goodleigh, Devon Cook (Dom)

Lucy MOCK Serv U 23 Swimbridge, Devon Housemaid (Dom)

1891 Lillabourn Ter, Morthoe, Pilton, Devon:

Edward B DESBOROUGH Head M 47 1844 Beckenham, Kent Living on his own means

Augusta B DESBOROUGH Wife M 45 1846 Pilton, Devon

John KIRKNESS Cousin S 40 1851 Boscastle, Cornwall Colonial broker !!??

Emma BALMENT Serv S 28 Cook

Mary I FEATHERSTONE Serv S 18 Housemaid

1901 Littabourn Ter, Morthoe, Pilton, Devon:

Edward B DESBOROUGH Head M 57 1844 Beckenham, Kent Living on own means

Augusta B DESBOROUGH Wife M 55 1846 Pilton, Devon

Lucy BRAWN Serv S 23 Cook

Ellen RUMBELOW Serv S 22 Housemaid

11545 7 6-Lawrence Vivion DESBOROUGH b4.12.1844 Manor House, Beckenham, Kent

d 11.10.1892 Port Said, Egypt. 1851 with parents. 1861?

m 31.1.1870 NZ sp-Elizabeth Mary LITTLE Issue??

11545 8 6-Harriet DESBOROUGH b7.3.1846 Beckenham, Kent d19.10.1938 Henley

-upon-Thames, Surrey. 1851-61 with parents. 1871?

1881 M with 11545 Mary DESBROUGH & her son Charles.

She has ID 51 at

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

m by 1876 sp-George Henry BURNELL b15.6.1842 Pilton, Ilfracombe, Devon d 1913

Son of Burnell JONES. 1881?

1891 75 Landsdowne Rd, Kensington, London:

George E BURNELL Head M 49 1842 Barnstaple, Pilton, Devon Stockbroker's agent

Harriet Burnell Wife M 45 1846 Beckenham, Kent 11545 8

Charles D BURNELL Son S 15 1876 Beckenham, Kent Scholar clerk 11545 81

Janet CHIVILOR Serv S 23 Dom serv

Emily JENKINS Serv S 24 Dom serv

1901 39 Landsdowne Crescent, Kensington, London:

George BURNELL Head M 59 1842 Barnstaple, Pilton, Devon Stockbroker agent

Harriet Burnell Wife M 53 1848 Beckenham, Kent 11545 8

Charles BURNELL Son S 25 1876 Beckenham, Kent Stockbroker's clerk 11545 81

Catherine MATHEW Sisterinlaw M 61 1840 Beckenham, Kent 11545 3

Alice Liverton Serv S 24 Barnstaple Housemaid

Mary Mogridge Serv S 23 Barnstaple Cook

Sarah Steadman Serv S 25 London Housemaid

11545 81 7-Charles DESBOROUGH BURNELL b14.1.1876

1881 with 11545 Mary DESBROUGH & his mother. 1891-1901 with parents.

m Dec Q 1903 Kensington 1a 343 sp-Jessie Backhouse HULKE or Rose YATMAN.

11545 9 6-Fanny Sophia DESBOROUGH b7.12.1847 Manor House, Beckenham, Kent

d 3.1.1859 Beckenham. 1851 with parents.

11545 (10) 6-Alice DESBOROUGH b14.2.1850 Beckenham, Kent d11.1.1916 Bexhill

-on-Sea, Sussex. She has ID 52 at

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

1851-61 with parents. 1871 with sister 11545 2 Louisa A'hmuty NASH & family.

GOODWIN

m 15.4.1873 Holy Trinity, Gidleigh, Devon sp-Albert Frederick GOODWIN

b17.1.1845 Maidstone, Kent d10.4.1932 Bexhill-on-Sea, Sussex 7 chn.

1881 Dwelling Lynmouth, Lynton, Devon:

Albert GOODWIN Head(Boarder) M 36 1845 Maidstone, Kent Artist Landscape Painter

Alice GOODWIN Wife(Boarder) M 31 1850 Beckenham, Kent 11545 (10)

Ivy GOODWIN Daur(Boarder) 7 1874 Hastings, Sussex Scholar 11545 (10)1

Olive GOODWIN Daur(Boarder) 7m .8.1880 Hastings, Sussex 11545 (10)2

Alice Ann HERSWELL Servant U 15 Barnstable, Devon Nurse Domestic Servant

1891 7 Montpelier Tce, Ilfracombe, Devon:

Alice GOODWIN Wife M 41 1850 Beckenham, Kent

Living in husbands profession 11545 (10)

Ivy GOODWIN Daur S 17 1874 Hastings, Sussex Dept on parents 11545 (10)1

Olive GOODWIN Daur 10 1881 Hastings, Sussex 11545 (10)2

Edytha M Goodwin Daur 9 1882 Hastings, Sussex 11545 (10)3

Albert D Goodwin Son 6 1885 Ilfracombe, Devon Scholar 11545 (10)4

Christabel Goodwin Daur 4 1887 Ilfracombe, Devon Scholar 11545 (10)5

Alice D Goodwin Daur 3 1888 Ilfracombe, Devon Scholar 11545 (10)6

Harold D Goodwin Daur 8ms 1890 Ilfracombe, Devon Scholar 11545 (10)7

Sarah A DELBRIDGE Serv S 26 Cook

Mary A BEER Serv S 22 Nurse

At No. 3 is Alice's mother Mary 11545 & sister 11545 51 Mary - see above.

1901 Twitchen House, [near Borough Corner], Morthoe, Devon:

Albert GOODWIN Head M 55 1846 Maidstone, Kent Artist Sculp[tor]

Alice GOODWIN Wife M 51 1850 Beckenham, Kent 11545 (10)

Olive GOODWIN Daur 20 1881 Hastings, Surrey 11545 (10)2

Edytha M Goodwin Daur 19 1882 Hastings, Surrey 11545 (10)3

Chrystabil Goodwin Daur 14 1887 Ilfracombe, Devon Scholar 11545 (10)5

Alice D Goodwin Daur 13 1888 Ilfracombe, Devon Scholar 11545 (10)6

Mary MIDWINTER W 48 Housekeeper

Annie JONES S 26 Housemaid

Alice JOINT S 19 Housemaid

Martha SUSSON S 23 Cook

11545 (10)1 7-Ivy GOODWIN b 2.2.1874 Hastings, Sussex 1881-91 with parents.

m Dec Q 1898 Barnstaple 5b 959 sp-Norman Bruce ELLIOT 1851 Lambeth, London

1901 27 Warwick Sq, St George Hanover Square, London:

Norman ELLIOT Head M 49 1851 Lambeth, London Doctor of Medicine Surg

Ivy ELLIOT Wife M 27 1874 Hastings, Sussex 11545 (10)1

Robert ELLIOT Son S 1 1900 St Georges HS, London 11545 (10)11

Ellen Scutcher Serv S 26 Nurse

Elizabeth Bath Serv S 30 Parlourmaid

Beatrice Willsher Serv S 19 Housemaid

Edith Munford Serv S 24 Cook

11545 (10)11 8-Robert Norman ELLIOT Sep Q 1899 St George Hanover Square, London. 1901 with parents.

...

11545 (10)2 7-Olive GOODWIN b 21.8.1880 Hastings, Sussex

1881-1901 with parents.

11545 (10)3 7-Edytha Margaret GOODWIN b 6.9.1881 Hastings, Sussex

1891-1901 with parents.

m Mar Q 1913 Battle, Sussex 2b 79 sp-Ralph LONGSTAFF

11545 (10)4 7-Albert DESBOROUGH GOODWIN b 26.12.1884 Ilfracombe, Devon

reg Mar Q 1885 Barnstaple, Devon. 1891 with parents.

1901 Charterhouse Block, Godalming, Surrey with other pupils:

Albert D GOODWIN School b[oy] S 16 1885 Ilfracombe, Devonsh.

m Mar Q 1908 Hailsham, Sussex 2b 162 sp-Evelyn SAUNDERS

11545 (10)5 7-Christabel GOODWIN b 23.7.1886 Ilfracombe, Devon

b reg Dec Q Barnstaple, Devon. 1891-1901 with parents.

11545 (10)6 7-Alice Desborough GOODWIN b 28.3.1888 Ilfracombe, Devon

b reg Jun Q 1888 Barnstaple, Devon. 1891-1901 with parents.

11545 (10)7 7-Harold Desborough GOODWIN b 28.7.1890 Ilfracombe, Devon

1891 with parents.

1901 Alerslie, Fremington, Devon with other pupils:

Harold D GOODWIN Boarder S 10 1891 Ilfracombe, Devon

11545(11) 6-Oliver DESBOROUGH bc1851 - shown in DESBOROUGH bible. Died young?

11545(12) 6-Peter (ex Ed) Vivien (ex site) DESBOROUGH bc1852

- shown in DESBOROUGH bible. Died young?

11545(13) 6-Luther DESBOROUGH b 11.1.1853 Manor House, Beckenham, Kent.

reg Mar Q 1853 Bromley, Greater London, Kent. d.2.1853 Manor House, Beckenham.

116 3-John JUDSON bp: 10 Dec 1749 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (18)
JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (19)

2. Acknowledgements

The wills & much of the commentary come from Bridget THURGATE, ID (10)4138 12

at deacon.html. b 1929 so she may have died. I stayed with her and John on a visit.

In 2008 I dredged the 1841-1901 censuses for our family. We need to do the 1911-1921 censuses! In 2007 I found this great DESBOROUGH website & used it to find more cousins:

http://www.manfamily.org/PDFs/Desborough%20Genealogy.pdf

of David MAN, librarian at Columbia University dm286@columbia.edu & cousin of Ed MAN eandpman@bloomington.in.us 2008.

Ed says that much of its data came from Betty Nash CARLSON & Joan.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (20)

3. JUDSON CLUES

3.1 JUDSON CLUES FOR HAMPSHIRE

3.2 JUDSON CLUES IN UK OUTSIDE HAMPSHIRE

3.3 JUDSON CLUES IN NZ

3.4 JUDSON CLUES IN USA

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3.1 JUDSON CLUES FOR HAMPSHIRE

*1696-1875 Hampshire ex IGI:

0 Nicholas JUDSON m sp-Elizabeth C073561 1696-1778

1 Elizabeth JUDSON b: 14 SEP 1696 bp: 05 OCT 1696 Alverstoke, Hampshire

K073571 1559 - 1749

bp: 05 OCT 1696 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

2 Richard JUDSON b: 27 APR 1698 bp: 01 MAY 1698 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hamps

3 Margret JUDSON bp: 14 JAN 1699 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

4 Elizabeth JUDSON b: 27 JUL 1701 bp: 27 JUL 1701 Holy Trinity, Gosport,Hamps

0 Mary JUDSON m 01 DEC 1702 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire sp-John BUSTLER

M062511 1653-1710

0 Eliz. JUDSON m: 15 Mar 1703 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Robert MAYNER

M062511 1653-1710

0 John JUDSON m sp-Mary

1 Billy JUDSON bp: 18 JAN 1784 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 Ann JUDSON m: 31 MAY 1787 Alverstoke, Hamps sp-George HENDERSON

M073575 1754 - 1799

0 Thomas JUDSON m sp-Henrietta J139411 1540-1877

1 Henry JUDSON bp: 14 JUN 1835 Hartley Wespall, Hampshire

0 William JUDSON m sp-Mary C136551 1679-1875

1 Lucy Annie Hatt JUDSON bp: 07 NOV 1875 Botley, Hampshire

*1764 The only JUXSON in Hampshire in IGI is

Mary JUXON m1 6 JAN 1764 Wymering, Hamps James MURRAY M062171 1738-1876.

They dont have any children there on IGI.

Wymering is a parish in the hundred of Portsdown 4 miles E of Fareham, 4 from

Portsmouth, and 1 mile NW of Cosham railway station. The parish, which is

situated on Portsmouth Harbour, under Portsdown Hill, includes the northern end

of Portsea island, etc The population in 1861 was 1,071 - GENUKI

*1784-1911 www.historicaldirectories.org lists 18 dirs for Hants 2006.

(See deacon.html for the list.) Searching there for JUDSON in Hants gives 3:

.1844 Pigot & Co.'s Directory of Berks, Bucks ... . [Part 2: Hants to Wilts,

& Wales]Hampshire Herefordshire Oxfordshire Somerset Wiltshire Wales

Wilts: Painters, plumbers & glaziers: Thomas JUDSON, Sambourne hill, Warminster

.1875 Post Office Directory of Hampshire, Wiltshire & Dorset

Wm JUDSON farmer Madoxford, Botley town, Hants

p943 Dorset outfitters: John Allnutt JUDSON 89 St Marys St, Melecombe Regis,

Weymouth

.1911 Kelly's Directory of Hampshire & Isle of Wight, 1911

p1007 Farm Bailiffs: Albert E JUDSON (to Henry WELCH-THURNTON Esq JP) Bramley,

Basingstoke

*1789: The earliest JUDSON/JUDKIN I see in censuses is in 1871:

Thomas James 1789 London with wife Ann b b1805 Gosport.

*1825 wills at http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Description Date Catalogue ref Details

Will of Ann JUDSON [1146??] of Portsmouth, Hampshire probated 10.6.1825

PROB 11/1700

*1855 Thomas JUDSON marriage in the Southampton area ex Free BMD via JN

*1861 Hampshire ex Anne 2006 <!-- anne.chambers@bigpond.com -->

Anna JUDSON William abt 1813 Cadham, Hampshire

Wife Millbrook Hampshire

Charles JUDSON c 1843 Wellington, Shropshire Soldier Portsea Hampshire

Robert JUDSON William, Anna abt 1850 Thoraton, Nottinghamshire

Son Millbrook Hampshire

William JUDSON Anna abt 1821 Bingham, Nottinghamshire

Head Millbrook Hampshire

A search for Thomas JUDSON (b 1790 +- 2 years) gave these:

1841

Thos JUDSON abt 1791 St Pancras Middlesex

1851

Thomas JUDSON Susanna abt 1791 Castor, Northamptonshire

Head Castor cum Milton Northamptonshire

Thomas JUDSON c 1790 Ripon, Yorkshire Head Ripon Yorkshire

1861

Thomas JUDSON c1790 Ripon, Yorkshire Head Ripon Yorkshire

*1875 www.historicaldirectories.org gave

The Post Office Directory of Hampshire, 1875

p40 Botley, Wm JUDSON, farmer Madoxford

p943 DORSET outfitters, John Allnett JUDSON, 89 St Mary St, Melcombe Regis,

Weymouth

p42 WILTS Warminster,Painters Plumbers Glaziers, Thomas JUDSON, Sambourne Hill

*1881 census has only 2 JUDSON b Hamps - both wives.

*1901 b Portsmouth - no JUDSON or VIVION found

* http://www.corps.state.ri.us/newcorps/07052002.txt gives

8 JUDSON STREET, PORTSMOUTH - but this could be one of the Portsmouths in USA:

I see them in New Hampshire, RI, NC, Ohio & Virginia!

* http://www.familyresearcher.org/PORTSMOUTH2.cfm gives what looks like m's:

BUSSHER John JUDSON Mary 01 Dec 1702

MAYNER Robert JUDSON Elizabeth 15 Mar 1703/4

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (21)

3.2 JUDSON CLUES IN UK OUTSIDE HAMPSHIRE

* BT: There are clusters of JUDSONs all over the Midlands (Leicester, Bedford,

Nottingham, etc) Could Talbot [11] have gone to relatives there as an

apprentice? Is this how he met his wife Mary HEWLET?

*1349 The surname JUDSON was not uncommon in 14th century Yorkshire.

The earliest mention of this name that I have been able to find was in 1349 and

was from the Court Rolls of the Manor of Wakefield.

There were at least 17 JUDSONs in the Poll Tax Listings of 1379.

Henry JUDDESON was listed in a Cheshire deed of 1370.

- posts to http://boards.rootsweb.com

*1632 Yorkshire to USA ex Judsonhousestfd@aol.com 2006:

William JUDSON, his wife Grace and their 3 sons came to US 1634 from North

Riding Yorkshire. Their ancestral home there was "Kirby Moor".

They first settled in Concord, Massachusetts where they lived for 4 years.

They founded Stratford, CO in with a small number of other families in 1639.

*1685 Cheshire ex BT:

Randulphus JUDGSON m Martha NEWTON at Alderley Cheshire on 20 June 1685

*13-15.6.1739 Gravesend. Passed by the DUKE DE HUMER [ship], JUDSON [ship]

from Bologne.

*c1750 England ex Irwin JUDSON irwin.judson@ns.sympatico.ca 2002:

0 Robert JUDSON m Ann CLARK of England

1 William Christopher JUDSON bc1750 settled c1792 on Prince Edward Is., Canada

after serving in the British army during the American Revolution.

*14.3.1763,7-22.3.1775 The partnership between Thomas JUDSON &

Joseph MARRIS, attorneys at law in Bawtry, Yorkshire will be dissolved 25.3.

1-15-22.10.1774 Notts. Intended inclosure of the arable fields etc of the

towns of Sutton & Lound in the parish of Sutton, Notts. JUDSON & MARRIS

solicitors.

*10-21-28.2.1772,4.3.1772,22.4.1772 Wolverhampton waggons late belonging to

Richard FRYER, now in the hands of John HODGETTS & John JUDSON are removed from

the Ram Inn in Smithfield, London ...

*6-22.9.1773 Sheffield. The copartnerhip between Thomas LAW, Thomas JUDSON &

Jonathan BINGLEY in the silver & plating trade dissolved .. Apply to Thomas

JUDSON, 3 Hind Court, Fleet St, London. ..

*5-8.2.1781 Auction by Mr SKINNER by order of the executors of Mrs Elizabeth

JUDSON, deceased, at 46 Goodge St, Tottenham Court Rd. Furniture, plate linen

china, apparel including a lady's rich Russian dress line with fur & faced withermine..

*18.11.1793 Bankrupts. Thomas JUDSON & George LUDEMAN of Hillar's Court,

St George's, Middlesex, sugar refiners, at Guildhall.

*9.3.1796 At a stock sale of the late Mr JUDSON at the Bull Inn, Weeden Beck,

Northamps., a sow & her 10 pigs sold for 36P 2s.6d.

*8.3.1797 Bankrupts. Thomas JUDSON & John JUDSON of Ashton under Lyne,

drysalters.

12.3.1797 T JUDSON & J JUDSON now or late of

Ridghill & Lanes, Ashton under Line, Lancashire, dry-salters, 22-23.3 at the

Bridgwater Arms Inn, Manchester. ..

13.9.1797 Certificates. Oct 3. Thomas JUDSON & John JUDSON now or late of

Ridghill & Lanes, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, dry-salters.

13.9.1797 Bankrupts. Certificates. Oct 3. Thomas JUDSON & John JUDSON of

Ridghill & Lines, Ashton under Line, dry-salters.

*21.6.1797 Bankrupts. .., Messrs JUDSON & PEARSON, Staple Inn, Holborn.

*25.6.1797 Bankrupts. .., Messrs JUDSON & Co. Staple Inn.

*26.11.1798 Bankrupts. .. attornies, Messrs JUDSON & PIERSON, Staple Inn.

*13.10.1800 Bow St, Sat. George JUDSON, a sergeant in the Chatham Division of

Marine, advertised for having absconded with a large sum of money belonging to

Capt. SEWARD, the Deputy Paymaster of that corps, & who was brought to town the

preceding night from Liverpool, .. The prisoner, George JUDSON, 3 or 4 times

received 800P .. he absconded from Rochester to Liverpool.. trial at .. Kent.

*1843 Hilton, Huntingdonshire ex Trevor JUDSON stellatrevor@hotmail.com

(or judson@spidernet.net) 2003:

0 Thomas JUDSON m Susanne

1 Henry JUDSON 1827

2 Tom JUDSON 1829-1915 *his line

3 William JUDSON c1832

4 Richard JUDSON 1837/1901

5 Jessie JUDSON 1840 *issue

6 Charles JUDSON 1843 Hilton, Huntingdonshire; Market Gardener in Kent in 1901.

61 Fred JUDSON his ggfr

7 Susan JUDSON 1848

*1871 Gosport, Hants to London ex JN

1871 Census: Civil Parish: St Pancras, Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras London

Reg district: Pancras; Sub-reg district: Tottenham Court

ED, institution, or vessel: 13; Household schedule number: 7

Thomas James JUDKIN Age: 82 bc1789 London Head

Ann JUDSON, wife, 66, Gosport, Hants

Emily Blanche JUDKIN, dau, 24, London

Elizabeth SNOSSWELL, Serv, 69, Deal, Kent

*d1951 Meopham Kent JUDSONS Wayne JUDSON wayne@wjudson.freeserve.co.uk 2003:

will put his on a website.

0 Frederick Charles JUDSON of Meopham,Kent, d 1951 m Kate? BALLARD

- The JUDSONs were/are coal merchants. - There was a large house (Hilton

manor) in Meopham Kent built by his Great Grandfather.

The JUDSON recreation ground is still there - donated by his GreatGrandmother.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (22)

3.3 JUDSON CLUES IN NZ

'NZ Headlines' by Rex MONIGATTI, Reed 1963, p86 chapter 12.

WW1's most decorated Kiwi was Sgt Reginald Stanley JUDSON, VC, DCM,

MM by George 5, born 1881 at Point Albert, Kaipara Harbour, NZ, attended

primary school there, then a Public School in England & Trinity College

Cambridge. He married 1905 & had 4 ch'n by 1914. He became an Auckland

City Councillor for 10 years & was on the fire board & drainage board &

9 years with the transport board. He later farmed at Doubtless Bay, Mangonui,

Northland, & was District Coroner & acting manager there. In the infamous 1951

Waterfront Strike in Wellington he was elected as union executive aged 70.

In the 1970s he sailed a yacht alone from Tauranga to Auckland.

1 son RF Judson was chaplain in the NZ Division Middle East & italy & got an

MC for gallantry at Orsogna.

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29.12.2017 NZ WHITE PAGES

https://whitepages.co.nz/white-all/judson/new-zealand gives 51 entries:

Ann Judson - Aspire Dance Academy, Christchurch 7645

Judson & Schumacher C A & D O,

328 Woodend Beach Road Woodend, Woodend Area Woodend Area 7610

Judson A F, 11 A Shortt Avenue Mangere Bridge Manukau City 2022

Judson A G & R C, Logan Rd Pukekawa Pukekohe 1891

Judson B S, 43 Forest lake Road Forest Lake Hamilton 3200

Judson D A & C P, 95 Cornwallis Rd Cornwallis Auckland 0604

Judson D C & D T, 177 Heta Rd Highland Park Auckland 4312

Judson D J 2/39 Scotia Street Wakatu Nelson Area

Judson D J & F M 36 Chedworth Avenue Bishopdale, Christchurch 8053

Judson D S 10 Highfield Street Culverden Culverden Area

Judson E C 2 Maratahu St New Plymouth 4310

Judson E J 2 Cherry Pl Bishopdale Christchurch 8051

Judson E J 57b Golf Rd Mt Maunganui 3116

Judson G & L 1 Peppertree Way Brookfield Tauranga Area 3110

Judson G H & H M 515 Old Te Aroha Rd Matamata 3471

Judson Glyn R & M K 28B Cooper St Pukekohe 2120

Judson H & I 93/11 Manuka Street Matamata Matamata Area 3400

Judson H G & R S 8 Centaurus Rd Cashmere Christchurch 8024

Judson J 47 Willjames Avenue Algies Bay Auckland City 0920

Judson J 106 Caribbean Dve Unsworth Heights Auckland

Judson J A & P K 2/7 Masefield Ave Herne Bay Auckland 1011

Judson J B & J A 2 Miranda St Parkvale Tauranga 3118

Judson J C & Laing J D C 89 Kiwi Esp Mangere Bridge Auckland 2022

Judson J S 84 Corinth Grove Papamoa Beach Tauranga

Judson J S 1717 Te Matai Road Te Ranga West Bay Of Plenty

Judson Jean 59 Rimu Street Maeroa Hamilton 3200

Judson K B 167 German Rd Cust R D 1 Rangiora 7471

Judson K L 1252 Tauhei Rd Whitikahu Morrinsville 3375

Judson K L & P D 6 Jennifer Pl Hamilton 3210

Judson L 9 Gurnard Road Stillwater Auckland City 0993

Judson L 74 Ford Road Fordlands Rotorua 3015

Judson M 19 Cedar Street Maungaraki Lower Hutt City

Judson M K 7 Wedgewood Place Dinsdale Hamilton

Judson M T 57 Winroy Grove Katikati

Judson Maurice & Renee The Ranch, RD 2 Awamangu Balclutha

Judson N 1493 Morrinsville-tahuna Road Tahuna Morrinsville Area 3373

Judson N J 17 Osborn Grove Allenton Ashburton Area 7700

Judson N M & J A 5 Shane Place Rotorua Rotorua Area 3010

Judson N R & J 79 Nicholson Road Khandallah Wellington City 6035

Judson N R & M E 53H Te Aroha St Hamilton East Hamilton 3216

Judson N T & E A 170 Hanmer Springs Road Hanmer Springs Area 7334

Judson P 13 Erin St Nelson 7010

Judson P A 185 Massey St Frankton Hamilton

Judson R D & S 8 A Petticoat Lane Leeston 7682

Judson Ray & Lynne 8 O'Rourke Pl Otaki Beach Otaki 5512

Judson S M 11/15 Foundry Rd Silverdale Hibiscus Coast 0932

Judson S M & K W 39 Grovenor Dve Orewa Hibiscus Coast 0931

Judson S T & Steel P 6 Mayburn Rd Te Atatu Peninsula Auckland 0610

Judson T A & P 11 Chester Rd Wanganui 4501

Rika J J & Judson A J 718 Puketitiri Rd Puketapu Napier 4182

The Ranch, Manager Awamangu Balclutha

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (23)

3.4 JUDSON CLUES IN USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melville_J._Salter

Melville Judson Salter (born Sardinia, New York, June 20, 1834;[1] died Pawnee

Station, Kansas, March 12, 1896[2]) was a politician and civic leader who was

twice elected the eighth Lieutenant Governor of Kansas serving under Governor

Thomas A. Osborn.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (24)

5. INDEX OF PLACES BY COUNTY & TOWN

** ENGLAND

* HAMPSHIRE:

Tony & Linda HampshireOPC@aol.com maintain a site for Hampshire.

Fareham (4m NW of Portsmouth) 1 m1 1690 For a map see

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Fareham&hl=en

Forton near Gosport in the Parish of Alverstoke 1144 had a house here in 1823

Gosport 1 m2 MARTIN 1708

Headley ??11451 bp 1813

Portsea (an island near Portsmouth) 1144 had houses here in 1823, 1145 m 1806,

1149 m 1810

Portsmouth 11 1711

* LEICESTERSHIRE

Hose 12m SW of Grantham, Archdeaconry of Huntingdon 11 m HEWLET here in 1735

Archdeaconry records are at

www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/holdings/a_c/archdeaconryhuntingdon.htm

** INDIA

I have not joined INDIA-L list but I did see an entry in bmds at

http://www.fibis.org for 11542 1.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (25)

6. INDEX OF FAMILY NAMES and the ID numbers where they first occur

BRIDGES 1119 - no issue

BRITLAND relative? in will of 112

DEACON 1

DESBOROUGH 1154

HEWLET 11

JUDSON 0

LOFTIN 1149 m 1810 Portsea

MARTIN 1 m2

PORTER 1145 in 1806 Portsea

TRIPP 1114

VIVION 5, 49 1770-8 Portsmouth

MAIDEN NAMES

COSTER 4

MILLS 1 m1

OURANI of California

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (26)

7. HEWLET clues for Hants [re 11 of 1.:

11 2-Talbot/Tolbut/Tabbot Edward/Edwards JUXTON bp 20.6.1711 Portsmouth

m 1735 at Hose sp-Mary HEWLET bur 29 August 1793 or 28 February 1796?

BT: Hose is a very small village 12m SW of Grantham, Archdeaconry of

Huntingdon, Leicestershire (Boyds Marriage Index.)]

In 1735 he was 24 so she was say 18-26. So we seek Mary b1713+-5 in Hampshire,

Leicestershire or Huntingdon. There are none on IGI in Huntingdon.

...............................................................................

*1708-18 Hants

. Mary HOWLETT bp: 26 AUG 1710 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire to John & MaryC069501 1676-1857

. Mary HOWLETT bp: 01 MAR 1714 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire to John & MaryC069501 1676-1857

. Mary HEWLET bp: 26 DEC 1710 Ringwood, Hampshire dr of Wm

C150561 1561-1839. (This batch gives 14 other HEWLET entries.)

. Mary HEWLETT bc 1714 Alverstoke, Hampshire

m 6.10.1735 Alverstoke sp-Thomas Edward JACKSON

. Mary HEWLET bp: 10 APR 1717 Alton, Hants to John & Mary K146621 1615-1812

*1709-1746 HEWLETT entries for High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth,Hants

C069501 1676-1857:

0 John HOWLETT m Mary

[Their m could be

John HEWLETT m: 11 APR 1708 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire sp-Mary MISSEN

M062611 1666-1773. C062611 1674-1773 gave no HEWLETT or MISSEN or JUDSON.]

1 Rebecca HOWLETT bp: 06 MAY 1709 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire

2 Mary HOWLETT bp: 26 AUG 1710 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire - presumably d by 1714 when 5 born.

3 John HOWLETT: 01 SEP 1712 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian, Portsmouth,

Hampshire #See 0 following.

4 Thomas HOWLETT bp: 26 OCT 1713 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire

5 Mary HOWLETT bp: 01 MAR 1714 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire #SHE LOOKS OUR BEST CANDIDATE FOR WIFE OF 11 of 1.

0 John HEWLETT [# presumably 3 above] m Katherine

[Their m could be

John HEWLETT m: 27 MAR 1739 Saint Michael Bassishaw, London sp-Cath. CAWLEY

M001471 15381880.]

1 Rebecca HEWLETT bp: 11 JUL 1742 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire #She could be the one who m 1778 William CATO below.

2 Elizabeth HEWLETT bp: 25 OCT 1743 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire

3 John HEWLETT bp: 30 MAY 1745 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire

4 John Missing HEWLETT bp: 08 DEC 1746 High Street-Presbyterian Or Unitarian,

Portsmouth, Hampshire to Katherine HEWLETT - presumably his father had died.

* Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

M062611 1666-1773 gives no other MISSEN but does give

. David HEWLET m: 24 JUL 1717 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire sp-Jane TORBIT

M062612 1774-1815 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire:

.0 Rebekah HEWLETT m: 30 DEC 1778 William CATO #She could be 1 bp 1742 above.

1 Ann CATO bp: 12 MAR 1782 Fareham, Hampshire C063061 1744-1832

2 Eleanor CATO bp: 10 AUG 1783 Fareham, Hampshire C063061 1744-1832

. Sarah Ann HEWLETT m: 19 DEC 1793 George MONDAY

. Thomas HEWLETT m: 08 FEB 1795 Mary CHALK

. Rachel HEWLETT m: 19 MAY 1796 Francis BICKET

. Thomas HEWLETT m: 24 JAN 1802 Ann HARRIS

. James HEWLETT m: 14 MAY 1805 Ursula BARNES

. Elizabeth HEWLETT m: 15 SEP 1810 Benjamin BLEATHMAN

. Elizabeth HOWLETT m: 07 DEC 1812 Roger MOORCROFT

M062613 1816-55 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire:

. Jane HEWLETT m: 20 JUL 1817 Thomas TOOGOOD

. Thomas HEWLETT m: 19 JUL 1819 Sarah CASE

. Silas YEULETT m: 27 AUG 1822 Caroline LEE

. Martha HULETT m: 30 JUN 1827 James SHERIF

. Mary Ann HEWLETT m: 10 SEP 1835 Edward MATHEWS

. Mary Ann Caroline HEWLETT m: 13 AUG 1841 William Clark HUNTLEY

. Edward Silas YEULETT m: 26 MAR 1843 Sarah POOL

. John HOWLETT m: 29 FEB 1848 Sophia CROAD

. Mary Ann Caroline HEWLITT or HUNTLEY m: 21 APR 1852 Thomas Baker SMITH

. William Henry YEULETT m: 02 NOV 1852 Elizabeth MORGAN

(C062611 1674-1773 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire gave none)

C062612 1774-1804 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire:

C062613 1805-22 C062614 1823-37

C062615 1838-58 (C062616 1859-73 none)

0 William HEWLETT m Elizabeth

. James HEWLETT bp: 31 OCT 1779

0 John HEWLETT m Jenny

. Ann HEWLETT bp: 08 FEB 1784

. James HEWLETT bp: 15 MAR 1789

0 William HULETT m: 20 MAR 1792 Elizabeth BAKER M0626121774-1815 St Marys above

. Edward HULETT bp: 28 APR 1793

. James HEWLETT bp: 22 SEP 1796

. James HEWLETT bp: 11 AUG 1799

. Charles Thomas HEWLETT bp: 20 APR 1800

0 John HEWLETT m Jane

. John HEWLETT bp: 13 JAN 1793

0 William HULETT m Eliza

. William Henry HULETT bp: 05 FEB 1794

0 James HEWLETT m Ann

. Edward HEWLETT bp: 03 MAY 1801

0 Joseph HEWLETT m Sarah

. Mary Ann HEWLETT bp: 05 JUL 1801

0 William HEWLETT m Sarah

. Sarah HEWLETT bp: 06 DEC 1802

0 William HOWLETT m Elizabeth

. William HOWLETT bp: 27 MAY 1808 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 Anderson HEWLETT m Elizabeth

. Anderson Horatio HEWLETT bp: 29 MAY 1812 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 Charles Thomas HEWLET m Ann (cf 0 Charles HEWLETT m Ann below)

. Charles Thomas HEWLET bp: 07 MAR 1820 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Mary Ann Caroline HEWLETT bp: 25 JUN 1826 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 Thomas HEWLETT m Elizabeth

. Elizabeth Bloom HEWLETT bp: 07 DEC 1821 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Milbowrne Bloom HEWLETT female bp: 16 MAR 1823 Saint Marys, Portsea

. Milbourn Bloom Levins HEWLETT male bp: 05 MAY 1824 Saint Marys, Portsea

0 Mary HEWLETT

. Mary HEWLETT bp: 19 OCT 1823 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 Charles HEWLETT m Ann (cf 0 Charles Thomas HEWLET m Ann above)

. William Edward HEWLETT bp: 07 AUG 1825 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Eliza French HEWLETT bp: 02 MAY 1830 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Julian Thomas HEWLETT bp: 02 MAY 1830 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 James HEWLETT m Mary (cf 0 James HULETT m Mary Ann below)

. Emma Augusta HEWLETT bp: 11 DEC 1825 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 James HULETT m Mary Ann

. Sarah Ann HULETT bp: 29 APR 1827 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Emily Elizabeth HULETT bp: 07 SEP 1828 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Williamina Eliza HEWLETT bp: 04 JUL 1830 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 William HOWLETT m Susannah

. Susannah Elizabeth HOWLETT bp: 12 OCT 1845 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 James Edwin Rolls HEWLETT m Thamar

. James Edwin HEWLETT bp: 17 DEC 1854 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

..............................................................................

* Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire:

M062511 1653-1710 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

. Robert HEWELT m: 18 OCT 1656 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Katherine HARTFORD

. Sarah HULETT m: 19 DEC 1659 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Gorge TURTON

. William HULET m: 06 JAN 1686 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Elizabeth HASLER

M062512 1710-1872 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

. Matthew HEWLET m: 29 JAN 1711 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Sarah WARDEN

. Elizabeth HEWLETT m: 14 SEP 1716 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-William ROBBOS

. Ann HOWLETT m: 04 OCT 1745 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Thomas WIGGETT

. Judith HEWLETT m: 10 AUG 1747 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-JOHN PATTEN

. Charles HEWLETT m: 06 APR 1797 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Susannah CLINCH

. Martha HEWLETT m: 12 JUN 1832 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Joseph BROWN

. William HOWLETT m: 07 JUL 1844 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Susannah ANNISON

. Eliza French HULETT m: 26 FEB 1849 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-JOHN DORE

. Elizabeth HOWLETT m: 16 JUL 1853 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Samuel COX

. Martha HOWLETT m: 06 NOV 1858 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-William MARKS

M062513 1759-1795 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

. James HEWLETT m: 26 MAY 1762 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Mary SKUTT

. Mary HEWLET m: 15 OCT 1763 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Thomas RUTTER

. Isaac HEWLETT m: 30 DEC 1765 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Sarah TOLLVERY

. Thomas HEWLET m: 01 SEP 1773 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Sarah MINKS

. John HEWLETT m: 27 JUL 1782 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Jane RENYARD

. Ann HOWLETT m: 16 JUN 1783 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-John HARVEY

COLTART notes both had marksmen.

M062514 1795-1796 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire has no HEWLETT

C062511 1654-1727 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire has no HEWLETT

C062512 1727-1769 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire + M062511 1710-1872 above

0 William HEWLETT m: 15 AUG 1732 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Judith BRADFIELD

. Mary HEWLETT bp: 03 MAR 1734

. Ann HEWLETT bp: 16 NOV 1735 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire d 11 OCT 1737

. Ann HEWLETT bp: 31 DEC 1738 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

C062513 1770-1812 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

0 Wm. HEWLETT m Mary

. Thos. HEWLETT b 01 AUG 1799 bp: 01 SEP 1799 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hamps

0 Wm. HOWLETT m Elizabeth

. Wm. Henry HOWLETT b 25 DEC 1805 bp : 14 MAR 1806 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

C062514 1813-1873 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth + M062511 1710-1872 above

0 John HOWLETT m: 11 APR 1819 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Mary Ann POPE

. Charles John HOWLAT bp: 20 SEP 1820 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth d 22 SEP 1820

. Mary Ann HOWLETT bp: 09 FEB 1821 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

dr of John & Mary

. Elizth. Ann HOWLETT bp: 27 JAN 1822 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

. Mary Ann HOWLETT bp: 03 APR 1825 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

. Sarah Anne HOWLETT bp: 01 JAN 1826 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

dr of John & Mary

. Harriet HOWLETT bp: 11 MAR 1827 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

dr of John & Mary

. Susanna HOWLETT bp: 17 AUG 1828 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth d 07 MAY 1829

dr of John & Mary Anne

. Martha HOWLETT bp: 28 FEB 1830 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

. Susanna HOWLETT bp: 15 JAN 1832 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth d 24 JUN 1832

. John HOWLETT bp: 02 JUN 1833 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

. Samuel HOWLETT bp: 26 JUL 1835 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

...............................................................................

*1796-1856 HEWLET/HEWLETT/HOWLETT at

http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline

Portsmouth & Portsea gave none. Hampshire gave 6 for HEWLETT & 1 for HOWLETT:

Will of Isaac HEWLETT, Yeoman of Fareham , Hampshire 27 April 1796 PROB 11/1273

Will of Francis HEWLETT otherwise Hewett, Miller of Fareham , Hampshire 02 April 1822 PROB 11/1655

Will of Susan HEWLETT, Widow of Gosport , Hampshire 22 May 1830 PROB 11/1771

Will of Thomas HEWLETT, Master in the Royal Navy of Southampton, Hampshire 23 May 1837 PROB 11/1878

Will of Hannah HOWLETT, Spinster of Fareham , Hampshire 15 December 1837

Catalogue reference PROB 11/1888

Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury

Will of Martha HEWLETT, Spinster of All Saints Southampton , Hampshire 02 March 1853 PROB 11/2168

Will of Isaac HEWLETT, Common Brewer of Fareham , Hampshire 23 September 1856 PROB 11/2238

...............................................................................

*1881 census Portsmouth:

Name Relation Marital Status Age Birthplace Occupation

.1811 Dwelling West Street Palmerston Buildings, Poole St James, Dorset:

Benjamin HEWLETT Head M 27 Poole, Dorset Stoker At Flour Mill

Elizabeth F. HEWLETT Wife M 27 Trenton, Stafford

Albert E. HEWLETT Son U 5 Poole, Dorset Scholar

Benjamin HEWLETT Son U 3 Poole, Dorset Scholar

Annie B. HEWLETT Daur U 2 Poole, Dorset

Elizabeth HEWLETT Mother W 70 1811 Portsmouth, Hampshire

.1828 Dwelling No 66 Wolseley Ter Chelsea Road, Portsea, Hampshire:

Julia HEWLETT Head W 53 1828 Portsmouth, Hampshire Naval Annuitant

Maud HEWLETT Daur U 22 1859 Portsmouth, Hampshire

Henry W.J. MASTERS Boarder U 24 Wales Wine Merchant

Mary A. CHALMERS Serv U 14 Portsmouth, Hampshire Genrl Domestic Servt

Elizabeth NEWTON Visitor U 50 London, Middlesex (House Proprietor)

.1829 Dwelling 6 Kingston Rd, Portsea, Hampshire:

Edwd. Rice YEULETT Head M 52 1829 Horndean, Hampshire Butcher & Dairyman

Charlotte YEULETT Wife M 36 Westbourne, Sussex

Dora Beatrice YEULETT Daur U 20 Horndean, Hampshire Assists In Shop (Butchers)

Albert Rice YEULETT Son 17 Westbourne, Sussex Assists In Shop (Butchers)

Ellen Blanche YEULETT Daur 12 Portsmouth, Hampshire Scholar

Fanny Milly YEULETT Daur 10 Portsmouth, Hampshire Scholar

Squires Edward YEULETT Son 7 Portsmouth, Hampshire Scholar

George Alfred YEULETT Son 5 Portsmouth, Hampshire Scholar

Horace Seymour YEULETT Son 2 Portsmouth, Hampshire

Maud May YEULETT Daur 1 Portsmouth, Hampshire

.1833 Dwelling 16 Moreland Rd, Alverstoke, Hampshire:

Samuel DAVIES Head M 54 1827 Portsmouth, Hampshire Pensioner R N

Sarah Ann DAVIES Wife M 48 1833 Portsmouth, Hampshire

Emily F. DAVIES Daur U 12 Portsmouth, Hampshire

Harriett HOWLETT Sister In Law U 45 Portsmouth, Hampshire Milliner

.1834 Dwelling 49 Upper South St, Alverstoke, Hampshire:

John HOWLETT Head M 47 1834 Portsmouth, Hampshire Admy Telph Clerk (Civil

Service)

Mary Ann HOWLETT Wife M 47 Gosport, Hampshire

Helen M. HOWLETT Daur U 22 Gosport, Hampshire Certificated Elementy School

Mistress

Fred.R.P. HOWLETT Son U 20 Gosport, Hampshire Assistant School Master

John F.I. HOWLETT Son U 16 Gosport, Hampshire Pupil Teacher (Natl School)

Alice M. HOWLETT Daur U 18 Gosport, Hampshire None

Henry A. HOWLETT Son 14 Gosport, Hampshire Scholar

Ada K. HOWLETT Daur 13 Gosport, Hampshire Scholar

Walter P. HOWLETT Son 8 Gosport, Hampshire Scholar

Alfred R. HOWLETT Son 7 Gosport, Hampshire Scholar

Edwd V. HOWLETT Son 3 Gosport, Hampshire

.1846 "Newbury Union Workhouse" Newton Road, Newbury, Berkshire:

John HEWLETT Casual Pauper U 35 1846 Portsmouth, Hampshire Agricultural Laborer

.1851 Vessel "SERAPIS, Royal Navy:

Charles HEWLETT Other M 30 Portsmouth, Hampshire Quartermaster

.1852 Institution "Whittington Barracks Military Depot", Whittington, Stafford:

William HEWLETT Head M 29 1852 Portsmouth, Hampshire Sergeant 3 Stafford Mil

.1863 Dwelling 10 George St, Reading St Mary, Berkshire

Henry YEULETT Serv U 18 1863 Portsmouth, Hampshire Drapers Assistant

with family of

Ernest LANGSTON Head M 27 Wantage, Berkshire Draper

.1876 Dwelling Livingstone Rd Rondebosch, Portsea, Hampshire:

Margaret A. HEWLETT Wife (Head) M 36 Cape of Good Hope, South Africa Staff

Commanders Wife

Clarence W. HEWLETT Son 13 Plympton, Devon Scholar

Amy I. HEWLETT Daur 10 Simons Town, South Africa Scholar

Herbert F.G.W. HEWLETT Son 5 1876 Portsmouth, Hampshire Scholar

Donald G. HEWLETT Son 4 Portsmouth, Hampshire

Rodney S. HEWLETT Son 2 m Portsmouth, Hampshire

Ellen M. CROSSWELL Serv U 22 Swanmore, Hampshire General Serv

Maria GRIFFIN Serv U 15 Cosham, Hampshire General Serv

There are also many HEWLETT b Gosport & 10 b Portsea in 1881.

.18th-19thC Alverstoke/Gosport ex Alan FIELD afield.family@btopenworld.com 2006

0 Richard HEWETT b1815 Gosport shipwright - his fr & grfr b Alverstoke

m Sarah COUSINS

1 Charles James HEWETT 1839

2 Richard HEWETT

3 James HEWETT

4 Henry HEWET

5 Frank HEWETT

6 Walter HEWETT

7 George HEWETT

8 Helen Marbley HEWETT 1853 d at 17 in 1870

9 Sarah HEWETT

Charles, Frank and George moved to London though Henry, Richard James

Walter stayed in Alverstoke/Gosport.

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MISSEN CLUES

C062613 1805-22 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire gave no HEWLETT or JUDSON but:

0 Henry m Mary

. Charlotte MYSON bp: 18 AUG 1812

0 Charles m Mary

. John Arthur MISEN bp: 25 JAN 1814

. Sarah Ann MYSON bp: 17 APR 1817

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (27)

8. MARTIN clues for Gosport, Hants

re [1 of 1. 1-Randal/Randall/Randolph JUDSON a minor in 1673

m2 6.8.1708 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hamps sp-Elizabeth MARTIN M073561]

*1696-1778 Gosport, Hampshire: C073561 1696-1778, M073561 1696-1754 give

[NB I have not yet dredged M073564 1754-1875 (28 entries),

C073562 1779-1812 (28 entries),

or C073563 1813-1875 (12 entries).]

0 Anthony MARTIN m Mary

. Mary MARTIN bp: 22 OCT 1696 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Sara MARTIN b: 09 MAR 1700 bp: 15 MAR 1700 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Anthony MARTIN bp: 25 JUN 1705 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Moses MARTIN m Susan

. Susan MARTIN b: 14 JAN 1700 bp: 20 JAN 1700 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. John MARTIN bp: 11 DEC 1709 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

to Moses & Susanna

0 Thomas MARTIN m Elizabeth

. Thomas MARTIN bp: 20 JAN 1703 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Barton MARTIN bp: 11 NOV 1710 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Elizabeth MARTIN bp: 14 DEC 1711 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Elizabeth MARTIN m: 12 FEB 1704 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire John HAYNES

0 Thomas or James MARTIN

m: 24 FEB 1705 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Jane PINK

0 Sara MARTIN m: 20 MAY 1705 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire Lewis WARREN

0 Thomas MARTIN m Mary

. Mary MARTIN bp: 26 SEP 1705 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Francis MARTIN bp: 16 MAY 1707 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Elizabeth MARTIN bp: 11 AUG 1709 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Sarah MARTIN bp: 26 DEC 1712 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Biston MARTIN m Elizabeth

. Mary MARTIN bp: 29 OCT 1705 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Sarah MARTIN bp: 03 JUN 1709 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Ann MARTIN bp: 12 JAN 1710 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Joanna MARTIN bp: 11 OCT 1712 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Susanna MARTIN bp: 02 JUN 1714 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Ann MARTIN bp: 28 NOV 1715 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

to Byston & Elisabeth

. Eleanor MARTIN bp: 21 OCT 1717 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. John MARTIN bp: 03 JUN 1719 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

to Besston & Elisabeth

. John MARTIN bp: 07 JUL 1721 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

to Byston & Elisabeth

. Elinor MARTIN bp: 07 SEP 1722 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

to Byston & Elisabeth

0 John MARTIN m: 10 DEC 1706 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Sara BARNS

0 Martha MARTIN

m: 27 AUG 1707 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Peter QUINELL

0 William MARTIN

m: 10 MAY 1708 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Mary WOODGARD

0 Elizabeth MARTIN

m: 06 AUG 1708 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Randall JUDSON ## 1 of 1.

0 Samuell MARTIN m Ann

. James MARTIN bp: 17 DEC 1710 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Peter MARTIN m Sarah

. Sarah MARTIN bp: 15 NOV 1711 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 James MARTIN m: 15 JAN 1712 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Mary TUZZER

0 Daniel MARTIN m Rosamond

. Samuel MARTIN bp: 12 OCT 1712 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Mary MARTIN m: 23 NOV 1714 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Elias NICHOLS

0 Elisabeth MARTIN

m: 22 APR 1717 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Nathaniel COLLINGS

0 James MARTIN m: 03 JUL 1717 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Jane FOAKE

0 Mary MARTIN

m: 24 JAN 1722 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-William WOODMASON

0 Jane MARTIN m: 28 JAN 1733 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Robert WAPSHAR

0 Anthony MARTIN m Elisabeth

. Joseph MARTIN bp: 18 FEB 1734 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Daniel MARTIN m Elizabeth

. James-Pierkes MARTIN bp: 16 APR 1741 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Susan MARTIN bp: 10 FEB 1742 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Nathaniel MARTIN bp: 23 JAN 1744 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Thomas MARTIN m Ann

. Thomas MARTIN bp: 14 JAN 1742 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 William MARTIN m Elizabeth

. Betsey MARTIN bp: 27 JUN 1744 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Mary MARTIN bp: 18 NOV 1757 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Orsmond MARTIN

m: 18 NOV 1744 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Mary BUGHURST

0 Nicholas MARTIN

m: 16 JAN 1749 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire sp-Hannah HUTCHINS

0 John MARTIN m Eleanor

. Lavinia MARTIN b: 13 FEB 1760 bp 27 FEB 1760 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. John MARTIN bp: 06 SEP 1765 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Polly MARTIN bp: 12 JUN 1768 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. William MARTIN bp: 23 DEC 1770 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 John MARTIN m Elizabeth

. Charlot MARTIN bp: 14 MAR 1762 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

. Eleanor MARTIN bp: 01 JAN 1764 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 Thomas MARTIN m Mary

. Mary MARTIN bp: 09 SEP 1764 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

0 William MARTIN m Jane

. William Markham MARTIN b: 22 APR 1778 bp: 29 MAY 1778 Holy Trinity, Gosport,

Hampshire

0 James MARTIN m Esther

. Elizabeth MARTIN bp: 30 SEP 1778 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

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*Message boards: a search 27.4.06 at

listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT

gave

.c1796 Emsworth ex Sharon DAVAGE sm.davage@ntlworld.com of Portsmouth 2006

HEWITT, MARTIN in Portsea/Portsmouth or Alverstoke

Her M's were from Emsworth, bp at Warblington, moved to Portsmouth.

0 John MARTIN, a Master Mariner (Methodists?) m Sarah WOODMAN

1 Sophia MARTIN c1796 Emsworth

m 1815 St.Marys,Portsea sp-John HARDING a Queen's pilot 1815; Bible Christian

1851 at 51 York St (now Lancaster road, Southsea) with John & chn + 2 srs

visiting; Sarah U 42, and Elizabeth PRATT M.

11 Israel HARDING b21 Oct 1833 bp 24.11.1833 Bethsheda Chapel, Southsea

in the parish of Portsea; won a VC at Alexandria.

2 Sarah MARTIN bp 1806 St Marys

3 Elizabeth MARTIN m PRATT

4? Samuel MARTIN d1872 m Mary Ann - both at Alverstoke 1881.

42 Clara MARTIN bc1874 in Alverstoke; 6 in 1881 with sister

41 Sarah J. MARTIN 23 and the rest of the Martin children.

Mary Ann, George & Charlotte MARTIN were members of King Street Chapel 1840-41

..........................................................................

.1796 Holy Trinity Church Gosport

No 63 William SMITH of HMS ARATHUS & Martha MARTIN of Gosport, by licence,Oct

20 1796 in the presence of Mary Newman PARODE & Samuel Thomas WELCH

."Lynne Jenkins" <jenkins_lynne@hotmail.com> 2002 BOUNCED

.1747 Joseph SETFORD m Jan 3 1747/8 Alverstoke sp-Elizabeth MARTIN

.1884 CHU3/1D/37 St Mary's Portsea

page 88 no 176 December 28 1884 Henry BONUS, 22, bachelor, , Stoker RN, 3

Terwick St & Louisa MARTIN, 20, spinster, 51 Sultan Road, after banns,

fathers James BONUS, Coppersmith & William MARTIN, Leading man labourer

Dockyard, in the presence of Annie BARNES & W F MARTIN

..........................................................................

.1787 PCRO CHUCHU3/1D/6 St Mary's Portsea

page 328 no 3031 Henry MARTIN,bachelor & Sarah BARROW.spinster,both of this

parish were married in this church by banns 15h January 1787 x the mark of

Heny MARTIN & signed by Sarah BARROW,in the presence of Jos BILLINGHURST &

Richd GUDGE

..........................................................................

.1805 Sarah GOODYEAR familytree@shaw.ca 2002:

0 John SANDFORD bricklayer bp Mar 1 1810 St John's Portsea

son of John & Elizabeth SANDFORD

m 16 Aug 1829 Saint Marys, Portsea sp-Ann MARTIN bp 25.12.1805 St Marys Portsea

dr of Henry & Sarah MARTIN

(Linda and Tony Knightroots@aol.com 2002 listowners give: CHU3/1B/

page 72 entry 215 John SANDFORD of this parish,batchelor, and Ann MARTIN, of

this parish,spinster,after banns 16 Aug 1829 in the presence of Harriet

LAMBERT and John LAMPARD)

1 Sarah Ann SANDFORD bc 1833 Portsea

m sp-William Charles READ bc 1820 Landport Portsea

2 Elizabeth SANDFORD bp 1850

Also Edward MARTIN m Dec 7 1834 St mary's Portsea Ann MUGFORD

..........................................................................

*1822 ex <PatSomerfield@aol.com> 04, <jacqui.bell@ntlworld.com> 04

0 0-George MARTIN

m 27/03/1788 Alverstoke sp-Mary SWEETERHAM Both bur at Ann's Hill Cemetery

(photo); 7 chn b Alverstoke:

a sister of Richard SWEETINGHAM of Southampton, a mariner Hants 1822

Archdeacon". Found this at Winchester Record Office Wills Beneficiary Index.

1 1-Mary MARTIN bap. 14/04/1793 Alverstoke

2 1-John MARTIN no bap. date known m 24/08/1822 sp-Louisa Hill GLINEN

21 2-John Carter MARTIN bap. 07/02/1831.

3 1-Catherine (known as Kitty) MARTIN bp 07/08/1797

m 22nd July 1822 St. Mary's Portsea sp-John Henry HARBERT b IOW. Master Mariner

31 2-Mary 1828, 32 2-Louisa Caroline 1830, 33 3-Amelia Maria 1832

34 2-John David HARBERT 1834 d at 90

m sp-Emma Matilda BATCHELOR b 23.3.1838 Middleton Court, Gosport

She has ID 1 at *1834 Gosport of http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/marsh/marsh.html

Ggparents of PatSOMERFIELD& Clare ANDERSON 2.11.2010 clare4a@hotmail.co.uk

341 3-Laurie Constance HARBERT b 8.7.1866 Richard St, Stoke Rd near Gosport

m at 19 from Joseph St, Stoke Rd 14.4.1885 sp-Robert WRIGHT 22 son of Wm

35 2-Fanny HARBERT b 5.6.1836 Gosport/Alverstoke. Bingham Town Bap. 10.7.1836.

m 1855 Portsea James MacDonald THOMPSON (b 1834 Gosport), a sailmaker

son of Richard THOMPSON m Susannah NICHOLS

351 3-Fanny Catherine 1856,52 Susannah Mary bap 1858,53 Amelia Anne bp 1861,

354 3-James William Herbert 1861, 355 William c1861, 356 Frederick John 1864,

357 3-George Martin 1865,358 3-Walter Henry 1868, 3593- Lily Gertrude 1870,

35(10) 3-Kate Alice 1872, 35(11) Arthur Alfred 1873.

35(12) 3-Olive THOMPSON 07.04.1877 in Gosport. Portsea 1881 with parents

1901 nurse in Portsmouth.

36 2-George Martin HARBERT 1838 dy,7 Sarah Ann 1840

1841 & 1881 family in Joseph Street

37 2-Sarah Ann HARBERT b 9.6.1840 New Town, Alverstoke

..........................................................................

.1832 ex <jmoon@ic24.net> 04

0 James SMITH m Elizabeth

1 Janetta SMITH 1812 Ionian Islands

m 1832 Warblington Robert MARTIN d Portsea 1838.

11 William MARTIN b 1835 in censuses at Emsworth.

..........................................................................

.1823 Jayne <primmer@blueyonder.co.uk> 2003:

0 Samuel MARTIN born 1823 in Forton, Alverstoke (became a Publican

after retiring from the Royal Marines) d 1876

m Mary Ann TITHERIDGE of Alverstoke

1 Samuel Martin born 1852

2 John Martin born 1853

3 Mary Ann Martin born 1856

4 Sarah Jane Martin born 1858, died 1886.

5 William Henry Martin born 1860, m. Emma

51 Samuel J. MARTIN b. 1895

6 Eliza Martha MARTIN born 1862, died 1881.

7 Edward James Martin born 1865, died 1897.

8 Alice Martin born 1869

9 Kate Martin born 1871

m. Ernest G. PRIMMER 1873. 1891 Ordnance Store Labourer Dock.

1901 27 Skilled Labourer Naval Ordy Dept. at 5 Pelham Rd, Alverstoke with

wife, son Frank (b.1900) and father Charles PRIMMER 76, Marine Pensioner.

(10) Emily Louisa MARTIN born 1871, remained unmarried and still assisting

William Henry with the Tavern in 1901.

(11) Clara Lydia MARTIN b 1874 m Charles James ROSS.

The family ran the "No Place Tavern" at 18 Stoke Road, Alverstoke (which I

believe is now Oliver's Bar??). Samuel Martin and wife Mary Ann both died

while the children were still young. The children continued living together,

running the Tavern themselves, Sarah Jane becoming the head of the household

in 1881 as Beer Retailer, and William Henry taking over after her death in

1886.

1871 at Stoke Road (no number or indication that it is a pub)

Samuel MARTIN (head) M 46 (?) Pensioner and Beerhouse Keeper

born Rutland Uppingham (?)

Mary Ann (wife) M 39 born Forton Hants Children are

Samuel 18 Engineer Gov Student (Portsmouth Dockyard)

John 17 Pupil Teacher

Mary Ann 14

Sarah Jane 13

William Hy(?) 11

Eliza Martha(?) 9 all above born Forton Hants

Edward James 5

Maria 4

Alice 2

Kate 10 mths all above born Newtown Hants

Mary Ann to Maria were "Scholars".

..........................................................................

.1834 Paul BENYON <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com>

J. H. Martin, assistant-surgeon to do duty at Haslar Hospital

..........................................................................

.1834 VOTERS' LIST FOR PORTSEA

MARTIN John Frampton 1 Copenhagen-st. Landport

MARTIN Robert 12 Gloucester-street Portsea

..........................................................................

.1846 St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1D/44

page 100 no 199 Feb 1 1846 John Pittis STEED,full age,bachelor,St George's

Square & Eliza MARTIN,full age,spinster were married in this church by

banns,signed by both,fathers were John STEED,Plumber & Thomas MARTIN,Dealer,in

the presence of Mary SMITH & Willm MARTIN

..........................................................................

.1859 ex Linda and Tony Knightroots@aol.com 2005

0 George MARTIN

1 Charles MARTIN (2xggr uncle) married Alverstoke 1859

11.Frederick born and baptised Alverstoke 1865

12.Arthur born 1867 and baptised Southsea 1868

13.Ernest baptised Gosport 1871

14.Frances baptised Wymering 1873

15.Sydney born 1875/6 baptised Wymering 1876

16.Edith baptised 1877 Gosport

.1861 Sarah Martin m 40 wife Andover

Mary Martin um 30 Domestic servant Odiham

..........................................................................

.1861 Hamps 169. St. Giles in the Fields on the St. George Bloomsbury film

James Martin u/m. 22 Potman Hampshire 169/23a

..........................................................................

.1879 Charles Henry NEWTON married Frances Eliza MARTIN (nee HUBSDELL,widow

c1879. In 1891 they were living in Langley Road Buckland.

..........................................................................

.1878 The Gosport and Portsea Watermen's Steam Launch Company H.T. MARTIN

clerk

..........................................................................

.1901 Census RG 13/1007 Sched 239 Page 129 Portsmouth Ecl Parish St

Bartholamews. Havlock Ward, Residence 42 Harold Rd

Mary NEWELL, Head, Age 62, Needleworker.

Caroline MARTIN, Widow, Age 76 Needleworker,b Portsmouth

Grace, Dau, S, Age 36, Needleworker, b Portsmouth.

..........................................................................

.1924 Steve MCKEOWN" <srdm@btopenworld.com> 2002 MARTIN - Portsmouth

Alice Maud Mary GRUBB m William Henry MARTIN (trade: Upholsterer, father:

Edward MARTIN) at St Matthews Church, Portsea (Catholic), 22nd June 1924.

Witnesses: Nellie Alberta YOUNG nee GRUBB & Robert Thomas YOUNG.

1901-17 Beer Retailer with family at "No Place Tavern", 18 Stoke Road, Gosport.

The MARTIN family were running the tavern as far back as 1871.

- primmer@blueyonder.co.uk 05

..........................................................................

UNDATED:

.Mr MARTIN,surgeon-dentist 148 High Street Portsmouth.

.Ann Hill cemetery Gosport: MARTIN George William

.MARTIN, Swanmore, Hants <AnthonyVMartin@aol.com> 06

..........................................................................

I've read up to message 72 of 2006!

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (28)

9. VIVION clues for Hampshire re 115 of 1. m 1770

9.1 VIVION clues for Portsmouth

9.2 VIVION clues for Hants

9.3 VIVION clues outside Hants

*Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

batches M062511 1653-1710, M062512 1710-57 1797-1872, M062513 1759-1795

C062511 1654-1727, C062512 1727-1769, C062513 1770-1812, C062514 1813-73

gave only m of 115 at 1., the bps of their 4 chn, & this:

. William VIVIAN m: 3 Jul 1864 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth sp-Elizabeth COOK

* Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

M062611 1666-1773 M062612 1774-1815 M062613 1816-55:

C062611 1674-1773 C062612 1774-1804 C062613 1805-22 C062614 1823-37

C062615 1838-58 (C062616 1859-73 none)

0 John VIVION

. Mary VIVION bp: 15 JUN 1750 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Ann VIVION m: 29 JUN 1769 Saint Marys, Portsea George Anson THOMPSON

. Elizabeth VIVION m: 24 DEC 1763 Saint Marys, Portsea William JOHNS

. Mary VIVIAN m: 28 MAY 1769 Saint Marys, Portsea Joseph DANFORD

. John VIVIAN m: 01 FEB 1825 Saint Marys, Portsea Mary HAYDEN

. Louisa VIVIAN m: 25 NOV 1830 Saint Marys, Portsea Philip POLKINGHORNE

. Selina VIVIAN m: 21 JUL 1842 Saint Marys, Portsea George BATH

. Mary VIVIAN m: 11 MAY 1847 Saint Marys, Portsea William Henry BATH

0 John VIVIAN m Susanna

. Mary Ann VIVIAN bp: 04 NOV 1817 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 William VIVIAN m Sarah

. Elizabeth VIVIAN bp: 07 AUG 1820 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

. Jane Phoebe VIVIAN bp: 07 NOV 1826 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 John VIVIAN m Mary

. John VIVIAN bp: 19 JAN 1821 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

0 Philip VIVIAN m Catherine

. Samuel John Philip VIVIAN bp: 14 AUG 1842 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

* One can post messages to

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.vivian

These will also appear in the "VIVIAN-L@rootsweb.com" mailing list.

I posted a msg there 28.4.06.

*Searching for VIVION & VIVIAN 28.4.06 at

listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT gave none.

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9.2 VIVION clues for Hampshire outside Portsmouth

.Thomas VIVIAN son of Thomas VIVIAN

m 16 OCT 1860 Christchurch, Hampshire sp-Elizabeth SHAVE M146583 1803-1876.

9.3 VIVION clues outside Hants

* ex John VIVIAN, Knowles Green Cottage, 43 Fore St, Chudleigh, Devon TQI3 OHY

1982 via BT: 'The name VIVIAN is believed to come originally from Vinianus,

a Phoenician or Roman involved in the tin trading with Britain, in Cornwall.

Subsequently the name was used in Cornwall to mean tin Miner.

There is a Captain LA VIVION of the Pirate Ship COUR VALANT; an internet

source lists him as Captain LA VEVEN 1668, French.

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (29)

10. DESBOROUGH clues re 1154 of 1.

* Wm DEACON [1115 at deacon.html ] or his wife Sarah BEDFORD had a niece Harriette DESBOROUGH of Chayford near Exeter.

*1800 Richard DESBOROUGH bp: 08 AUG 1800 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

son of Diane DESBOROUGH C062513 1770-1812

JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (30)
JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (31)
JUDSON of Portsmouth, Hampshire (1670-1794) (2024)

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